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View Poll Results: Do you still support the War in Iraq?
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I have never supported this War. Bring the troops home.
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07-09-2007, 09:44 AM
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Bro. Y, I'll never forget...
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Join Date: Feb 2007
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Originally Posted by Emma Bontrager
War is wrong. We should all be non-resistant and let hell take over and kill us all.
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Emma, go back to your Amish paradise.... 
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Never tell a young person that anything cannot be done. God may have been waiting centuries for someone ignorant enough of the impossible to do that very thing. ~ John Andrew Holmes
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07-09-2007, 09:47 AM
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Bro. Y, I'll never forget...
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Join Date: Feb 2007
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Originally Posted by Malvaro
aren't you missing something??
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Originally Posted by DividedThigh
spoken like a true demo parrot
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???
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"Rules without relationship lead to rebellion." Dr. James Dobson
"You don't need a license to preach, or teach, or win souls." RonB
"In all my perplexities and distresses, the Bible has never failed to give me light and strength." Robert E. Lee (1807-1870)
Never tell a young person that anything cannot be done. God may have been waiting centuries for someone ignorant enough of the impossible to do that very thing. ~ John Andrew Holmes
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07-09-2007, 09:49 AM
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Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Lancaster PA
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Originally Posted by Malvaro
Emma, go back to your Amish paradise.... |
If you saw how many beans and peas I put up yesterday, you wouldn't call it a paradise.  At any rate, we practice non-resistance. If we all did that they would just come over here and make us all wear burkhas or kill us. I think burkhas are actually more holy than what we wear now, but MAN would they be hot to garden in. 
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Emma is a ficticious Amish character and ILG is her real person counterpart.
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07-09-2007, 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Emma Bontrager
If you saw how many beans and peas I put up yesterday, you wouldn't call it a paradise. At any rate, we practice non-resistance. If we all did that they would just come over here and make us all wear burkhas or kill us. I think burkhas are actually more holy than what we wear now, but MAN would they be hot to garden in. |
emma, i am sad for you, but if you want just go over there they will oblige you and kill you, no kidding, dt
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07-09-2007, 10:14 AM
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Still Figuring It Out.
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Resorting to a medical analogy, a wrong diagnosis was made at the beginning of the war and the wrong treatment was prescribed. Refusing to reassess our mistakes and insist on just more and more of a failed remedy is destined to kill the patient-in this case the casualties will be our liberties and prosperity here at home and peace abroad.
-Ron Paul Before the U.S. House of Representatives February 14, 2007
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07-09-2007, 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by DividedThigh
emma, i am sad for you, but if you want just go over there they will oblige you and kill you, no kidding, dt
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Are you saying non-resistance is wrong?? I thought that the UPC actually promoted non-resistance too!! Here is what the UPC articles of faith say!!
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CONSCIENTIOUS SCRUPLES
We recognize the institution of human government as being of divine ordination, and, in so doing, affirm unswerving loyalty to our Government; however, we take a definite position regarding the bearing of arms or the taking of human life.
As followers of the Lord Jesus Christ, the Prince of Peace, we believe in implicit obedience to His commandments and precepts which instruct us as follows: ".. that ye resist not evil. . ." (Matt. 5:39): "Follow peace with all men..." (Heb. 12:14). (See also Matt. 26:52; Rom. 12:19; James 5:6; Revelation 13:10). These we believe and interpret to mean Christians shall not shed blood nor take human life.
Therefore, we propose to fulfill all the obligations of loyal citizens, but are constrained to declare against participating in combatant service in war, armed insurrection, property destruction, aiding or abetting in or the actual destruction of human life.
Furthermore, we cannot conscientiously affiliate with any union, boycott, or organization which will force or bind any of its members to belong to any organization, perform any duties contrary to our conscience, or receive any mark, without our right to affirm or reject same (1930).
However, we regret the false impression created by some groups or so-called "conscientious objectors" that to obey the Bible is to have a contempt for law or magistrates, to be disloyal to our Government and in sympathy with our enemies, or to be unwilling to sacrifice for the preservation of our commonwealth. This attitude would be as contemptible to us as to any patriot. The Word of God commands us to do violence to no man. It also commands us that first of all we are to pray for rulers of our country. We, therefore, exhort our members to freely and willingly respond to the call of our Government except in the matter of bearing arms. When we say service, we mean service-no matter how hard or dangerous. The true church has no more place for cowards than has the nation. First of all, however, let us earnestly pray that we will with honor be kept out of war.
We believe that we can be consistent in serving our Government in certain noncombatant capacities, but not in the bearing of arms. (1940).
We further believe that our military personnel must live in a manner consistent with the Articles of Faith.
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I am so confused.
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Emma is a ficticious Amish character and ILG is her real person counterpart.
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07-09-2007, 10:25 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Emma Bontrager
Are you saying non-resistance is wrong?? I thought that the UPC actually promoted non-resistance too!! Here is what the UPC articles of faith say!!
I am so confused.
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that is a epiphany for you i am sure, a moment of clear honesty, i dont believe or practice the conscientious objector attitude, never will, still sad for you, dt
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07-09-2007, 10:29 AM
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Still Figuring It Out.
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Are there any UPC preachers on here who don't practice the conscientious objector "attitude"?
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07-09-2007, 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Digging4Truth
Are there any UPC preachers on here who don't practice the conscientious objector "attitude"?
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not me, dt
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07-09-2007, 10:35 AM
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Still Figuring It Out.
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Originally Posted by DividedThigh
not me, dt
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Not me... as in you are a UPC preacher?
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