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Old 02-23-2007, 08:46 AM
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Even PAJCers have evolved from the pre-Industrial age dress standards myth ... but PCIers for the most part are still solid Jesus name baptism and baptism of HG folks ...
"Beware the jabberwock, my son..."
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Old 02-23-2007, 08:46 AM
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The modern PAJCers are seeking to discredit the modern PCIers on not holding fast to the message because of fear.....
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Old 02-23-2007, 08:46 AM
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The point of this post is doctrinal--the ones who have backed up on the essentiality of the New Birth, and have decided to call themselves PCI.

Standards are a whole other issue.
Thanks for the clarification.

I don't know what the PCI stood for so I can't help you here.
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Old 02-23-2007, 08:48 AM
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The modern PAJCers are seeking to discredit the modern PCIers on not holding fast to the message because of fear.....
Wrong.

No one is seeking to discredit anything except false doctrine.

You are just about to get yourself a Toro for comments like that piece of slander.
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Old 02-23-2007, 08:49 AM
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Can I Toro you for calling modern PCIers as backsliders???
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Old 02-23-2007, 09:05 AM
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I have to chuckle when I see these modern backsliders calling themselves adherents of the "PCI" doctrine.

They don't have any more in common with the old PCI men than modern liberal democrats do with the architects of the New Deal. They both claim a connection with a heritage they have absolutely nothing in common with, and simply want to trade on a name that is respected.

The men of the PCI were mostly men who had come out of denominations that were trinitarian, and had received a revelation of Truth.

They preached their revelation with such passion and fervor that no one would have known by their preaching that they differed from the PAJC men, for the most part.

This was because they had made a move toward Truth and revelation.

They loved this New Birth, Oneness Message.

This new breed are a totally different kettle of fish.

They are moving away from Truth.

They are embarassed to be associated with strong doctrinal men. They would rather identify with those proclaiming an easy-believism message than with the Apostolic church.

So when you try and get them to discuss the doctrine of salvation, they spout clouds of obfuscatory smoke about how it is Jesus who saves, and it is a journey, and blah blah blah.

Nothing solid.

And they call themselves adherents of the "PCI Doctrine."

Well, the men of the old PCI would probably be ashamed to claim them, because they came out from long and deeply rooted belief systems and sold out to preach this Jesus Name message. It cost them something to be able to say "I'm one of them," as the old song says.

Most of these slack-jawed compromisers could preach all day, and if you ran their message through a centrifuge, you couldn't distill half an ounce of good doctrine, nor figure out how to be saved.

PCI?

Yep.

Pathetic Compromising Ingrates.

Now, if that isn't clear enough, let me know and I will try and dial it down a little better for you.
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Old 02-23-2007, 09:12 AM
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The PCI men baptized 1,000's in Jesus Name, they preached Acts 2:38 as fervently as PAJC men did. They were NOT ashamed to be identified with the Jesus Name Pentecostal Movement. These johnie-come-lately folks want to be identified with anything but the Jesus Name Pentecostal movement. They have more in common with the Charismatic and Trinitarian movement. They did not teach Oneness in PRIVATE classes or baptism on the sly. They were unashamably Oneness and stressed baptism in Jesus Name. Were they correct on the necessity of baptism(FOR remission of sins) no. But they fervently preached and baptized in Jesus Name they were not ashamed.
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Old 02-23-2007, 09:13 AM
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Can I Toro you for calling modern PCIers as backsliders???
I think you should come up with a new award, Dan.

Perhaps a grumpy old man award... with the face of Donald Rumsfeld or something...
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Old 02-23-2007, 09:16 AM
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Some folks LOVE to label others that have differing views, especially with words that have a negative connotation.

If the coonmeister is trying to make the argument that those from the PCI totally embraced the PAJC view, he is mistaken. Now those that still embrace, or have since embraced the PCI view of salvation are "backsliders"! hmmmmmmmmm

Personally, I hold the view that I have been enlightened!

Would abortionists and murderers qualify from your side of the field... if in fact we are on a field and actually on different sides of it.

I think backslider is mild compared to conservatives being referred to as having the spirit of abortion and murdering unborn children or new born children INTENTIONALLY.

What do you think?

And NO that is not what CS is trying to say. He is saying that those who once embraced the PAJC perspective and now are claiming salvation at repentance have backslidden from the truth they once held dear.
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Old 02-23-2007, 09:18 AM
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Even PAJCers have evolved from the pre-Industrial age dress standards myth ... but PCIers for the most part are still solid Jesus name baptism and baptism of HG folks ...

Not in my experience!
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