What say ye? Can one love truth more than God?

[coksiw]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Order and chaos

A healthy relationship between the 2 is essential.

I don't think it is a matter of balance but of values.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by coksiw

Neither.

OK, maybe you didn't understand the question. Between those two definitions where are you? You gave us two extremes, therefore you fall between them. My question is where? Where are you, since you aren't traditional defender of the faith no matter what, and are not the troublemaker just uprooting doctrines to no benefit to anyone, what would you call yourself?

[coksiw]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

OK, maybe you didn't understand the question. Between those two definitions where are you? You gave us two extremes, therefore you fall between them. My question is where? Where are you, since you aren't traditional defender of the faith no matter what, and are not the troublemaker just uprooting doctrines to no benefit to anyone, what would you call yourself?

There are not extremes, just two common tendencies, not meant to be exhaustive. There is no "balance" between two wrongs. Motivations for those are complex, and could be, but not limited to, fear, vainglory, ignorance, desire to be accepted, enmity, resentment, etc...

I don't consider myself to be in either ones, or in any "in between".

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by coksiw

There are not extremes, just two common tendencies, not meant to be exhaustive. There is no "balance" between two wrongs. Motivations for those are complex, and could be, but not limited to, fear, vainglory, ignorance, desire to be accepted, enmity, resentment, etc...

I don't consider myself to be in either ones, or in any "in between".

Then what are you?

[coksiw]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Then what are you?

I don't think you look at me for wisdom . So I have the feeling that your insisting interest in my position is to find something to start a fight against me. BTW, I did not accuse directly or indirectly nobody in this forum about any of the two tendencies. So there is no need to argue, really.

With "tendency" I meant, disposition of heart, desire, even when there is not an established existing reason. It is a heart looking for a reason to debunk because it resents the "system", or it is looking for glory, power grab, etc.... The other tendency it is a heart sticking to a tradition because it enables access to power, and crowds, and acceptance, or wealth, but also safety against the unknown.

Identifying a falsehood and standing against it is not a tendency to debunk a system in your heart, but standing for what it is right, and speaking truth. I'm thinking of people like Luther, when he read the greek ms and the mistranslation of "repentance" to latin.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by coksiw

I don't think you look at me for wisdom .

Is English not your first language? I'm asking you a question where are you between those two individuals?

Originally Posted by coksiw

So I have the feeling that your insisting interest in my position is to find something to start a fight against me.

Whatever.

Originally Posted by coksiw

BTW, I did not accuse directly or indirectly nobody in this forum about any of the two tendencies. So there is no need to argue, really.

With "tendency" I meant, disposition of heart, desire, even when there is not an established existing reason. It is a heart looking for a reason to debunk because it resents the "system", or it is looking for glory, power grab, etc.... The other tendency it is a heart sticking to a tradition because it enables access to power, and crowds, and acceptance, or wealth, but also safety against the unknown.

Identifying a falsehood and standing against it is not a tendency to debunk a system in your heart, but standing for what it is right, and speaking truth. I'm thinking of people like Luther, when he read the greek ms and the mistranslation of "repentance" to latin.

So, you are like Martin Luther? Between the two extremes you are the one who doesn't follow tradition dogmatically, or just looking to over turn the ecclesiastical apple cart. You stand for what is right and you speak only what is truth. How long were you a Trinitarian?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by coksiw

I'm thinking of people like Luther, when he read the greek ms and the mistranslation of "repentance" to latin.

Also do you think Martin Luther was correct concerning his view against paenitentia as the translation for μετάνοια?

[coksiw]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Is English not your first language? I'm asking you a question where are you between those two individuals?



Whatever.



So, you are like Martin Luther? Between the two extremes you are the one who doesn't follow tradition dogmatically, or just looking to over turn the ecclesiastical apple cart. You stand for what is right and you speak only what is truth. How long were you a Trinitarian?

I knew it , this is the end of my conversation with you, EB.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by coksiw

I knew it , this is the end of my conversation with you, EB.

[Esaias]

My default response to an assertion by an authority is "Uh huh, is that REALLY the case?" Depends on whether or not I have been satisfactorily convinced the authority is genuinely an authority, or just a pretender to the throne.

Prove all things, hold fast what is good.