US Has New Anthem???

[Evang.Benincasa]

how about this as our national anthem

[Nicodemus1968]

Originally Posted by Jito463

I get the disdain for Trump, I have mixed feelings about his term in office. That said, the shutdowns and lockdowns were implemented by governors and mayors, not Trump. He certainly didn't do anything to push back on it, and may have even fed into it some, but he's not directly responsible.

It's local politicians that we need to hold accountable for their despicable actions. Even Rickets - as much as he's been less awful than other governors - still shut down some businesses, and has done nothing to fight the "mask mandate" in Lincoln, despite his claims that he would.

It's local and state officials we need to be concerned about, rather than whomever is "El Presidente". So long as we appoint good local leaders, then the national politics won't be as abrasive.

I have no disdain for President Trump. I voted for him back in 2016, I no longer vote due to some personal convictions I now have. Yet, I believe he did really well for the economy, especially small businesses. I remember under Obama paying what quite a few people make in a year in business tax. Under Trump paid the business paid nothing! I believe its because of his insight and his background that we have seen (pre-wuhan virus) such a boost in the economy compared to well my entire working life. I mean in my trade (HVAC) it was name your price for several years, what we were making on change outs and installs we have never made that. Yet, with any politician you take the good with the bad. Like you and I and most likely many others his New York Mafia style charisma needs some softening, yet, like Ron said nobody’s perfect.

The reason why I mock Trump and play the opposite of the field with some on here, its because I’m witnessing a love affair going on with this President. It’s like the United Republican Pentecostals Incorporated made this man Moses or something. I’m hearing and seeing believers, lose faith because he will more than likely not be in the Oval Office in a month and a half. I see others post about if you vote democrat you’re not a believer, meanwhile casting their vote for Trump. I asked this individual if because they voted for Trump, if there now accepting adultery???

Maybe some of you older ones can tell me a time when the church has been this involved in politics? Or maybe when has the church been affected this much in politics?

In conclusion, JITO463, I do not HATE Trump, I believe he did well for what he gave and what he had to work with. However, I have a disdain for believers who have a wanton spirit towards this man.

[Jito463]

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

I have no disdain for President Trump. I voted for him back in 2016, I no longer vote due to some personal convictions I now have. Yet, I believe he did really well for the economy, especially small businesses. I remember under Obama paying what quite a few people make in a year in business tax. Under Trump paid the business paid nothing! I believe its because of his insight and his background that we have seen (pre-wuhan virus) such a boost in the economy compared to well my entire working life. I mean in my trade (HVAC) it was name your price for several years, what we were making on change outs and installs we have never made that. Yet, with any politician you take the good with the bad. Like you and I and most likely many others his New York Mafia style charisma needs some softening, yet, like Ron said nobody’s perfect.

I never really had much of an issue with his "tough guy" talk or his weird fascination with promoting himself above others. It was unseemly, but that's not what I took exception to. Initially, I didn't vote in 2016 because I saw him as nothing more than a financial supporter of Hillary, and long time friend/associate of the Clintons, not to mention his creepy way of talking about his daughter, the way he treated his rivals in the primaries and his potential association with Epstein.

Over time, my issues because more about his policies, especially in regards to the second amendment. I'm not looking for perfection in any man, just one that doesn't stab me in the back over rights that are supposed to be guaranteed by the Constitution.

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

The reason why I mock Trump and play the opposite of the field with some on here, its because I’m witnessing a love affair going on with this President. It’s like the United Republican Pentecostals Incorporated made this man Moses or something. I’m hearing and seeing believers, lose faith because he will more than likely not be in the Oval Office in a month and a half.

I get that, and I'm with you there. There was an article someone wrote recently about how the greatest threat to the modern day church is "Trumpism". I'm not sure I'd call it the greatest threat, but it's definitely a concern and something to be mindful of.

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

I see others post about if you vote democrat you’re not a believer, meanwhile casting their vote for Trump. I asked this individual if because they voted for Trump, if there now accepting adultery???

I think the argument that you can't be a follower of Christ and vote for Democrats, has more to do with their policy on abortion than the fact that they're not Republicans. It doesn't help that they promote the homosexual agenda, but then again, so does Trump.

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

Maybe some of you older ones can tell me a time when the church has been this involved in politics? Or maybe when has the church been affected this much in politics?

I think we're just too used to churches being tax exempt with their 501c3, which prohibits the church from engaging in politics from the pulpit. I wouldn't at all be surprised to find out that prior to that, there was much talk of who to support back in the olden days.

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

In conclusion, JITO463, I do not HATE Trump, I believe he did well for what he gave and what he had to work with. However, I have a disdain for believers who have a wanton spirit towards this man.

To be accurate, I never said 'hate', I said 'disdain'. Contempt may be leaning towards the hate category, but it's not quite there.

[Esaias]

Politics is the managing and governing of society. It is the putting into practice of someone's answer to "How should we live?"

To believe there is a separation between religion and politics, that one can exist without the other, is to be misinformed as to the nature of both.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Politics is the managing and governing of society. It is the putting into practice of someone's answer to "How should we live?"

To believe there is a separation between religion and politics, that one can exist without the other, is to be misinformed as to the nature of both.

[Nicodemus1968]

Originally Posted by Jito463

I never really had much of an issue with his "tough guy" talk or his weird fascination with promoting himself above others. It was unseemly, but that's not what I took exception to. Initially, I didn't vote in 2016 because I saw him as nothing more than a financial supporter of Hillary, and long time friend/associate of the Clintons, not to mention his creepy way of talking about his daughter, the way he treated his rivals in the primaries and his potential association with Epstein.
Over time, my issues because more about his policies, especially in regards to the second amendment. I'm not looking for perfection in any man, just one that doesn't stab me in the back over rights that are supposed to be guaranteed by the Constitution.
I get that, and I'm with you there. There was an article someone wrote recently about how the greatest threat to the modern day church is "Trumpism". I'm not sure I'd call it the greatest threat, but it's definitely a concern and something to be mindful of.
I think the argument that you can't be a follower of Christ and vote for Democrats, has more to do with their policy on abortion than the fact that they're not Republicans. It doesn't help that they promote the homosexual agenda, but then again, so does Trump.
I think we're just too used to churches being tax exempt with their 501c3, which prohibits the church from engaging in politics from the pulpit. I wouldn't at all be surprised to find out that prior to that, there was much talk of who to support back in the olden days.
To be accurate, I never said 'hate', I said 'disdain'. Contempt may be leaning towards the hate category, but it's not quite there.

Originally Posted by Jito463

I think we're just too used to churches being tax exempt with their 501c3, which prohibits the church from engaging in politics from the pulpit. I wouldn't at all be surprised to find out that prior to that, there was much talk of who to support back in the olden days.

I know a Pastor that quit his 501c3 status and made the church into a for profit corporation. That way he expressed his political views during services, held a mid week political patriot service instead of bible study, placed political signs on the church property, ran as a delegate for Ron Paul.

[Nicodemus1968]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Politics is the managing and governing of society. It is the putting into practice of someone's answer to "How should we live?"

To believe there is a separation between religion and politics, that one can exist without the other, is to be misinformed as to the nature of both.

Originally Posted by Esaias

To believe there is a separation between religion and politics, that one can exist without the other, is to be misinformed as to the nature of both.

Would you care to explain how religion and politics cannot be separated?

[Ron]

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

I have no disdain for President Trump. I voted for him back in 2016, I no longer vote due to some personal convictions I now have. Yet, I believe he did really well for the economy, especially small businesses. I remember under Obama paying what quite a few people make in a year in business tax. Under Trump paid the business paid nothing! I believe its because of his insight and his background that we have seen (pre-wuhan virus) such a boost in the economy compared to well my entire working life. I mean in my trade (HVAC) it was name your price for several years, what we were making on change outs and installs we have never made that. Yet, with any politician you take the good with the bad. Like you and I and most likely many others his New York Mafia style charisma needs some softening, yet, like Ron said nobody’s perfect.

The reason why I mock Trump and play the opposite of the field with some on here, its because I’m witnessing a love affair going on with this President. It’s like the United Republican Pentecostals Incorporated made this man Moses or something. I’m hearing and seeing believers, lose faith because he will more than likely not be in the Oval Office in a month and a half. I see others post about if you vote democrat you’re not a believer, meanwhile casting their vote for Trump. I asked this individual if because they voted for Trump, if there now accepting adultery???

Maybe some of you older ones can tell me a time when the church has been this involved in politics? Or maybe when has the church been affected this much in politics?

In conclusion, JITO463, I do not HATE Trump, I believe he did well for what he gave and what he had to work with. However, I have a disdain for believers who have a wanton spirit towards this man.

Trump is a maverick, he is rogue. It means he does want he wants and no establishment is going to tell him what to do. I don't believe, JMO though, that supporters of Trump are worshiping him as Messiah, but as the best hope outside if Jesus they have. Look at the alternative. Marxist corrupt Joe Stealing Biden.
If you can't vote for him, I can respect that, I think even voters who support Trumo could live with the Biden victory, as disdainful as it would be, if it was a fair and lawful Election.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Ron

Trump is a maverick, he is rogue. It means he does what he wants and no establishment is going to tell him what to do.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Ron, maybe you should pray about what you post about leadership.

What rogue means?
1 : vagrant, tramp. 2 : a dishonest or worthless person : scoundrel. 3 : a mischievous person : scamp. a dishonest or unprincipled man.

In Zoology
2.
an elephant or other large wild animal driven away or living apart from the herd and having savage or destructive tendencies.

"a rogue elephant"