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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple
Heres what I mean Dom.
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You are just making comments? You believe in a post tribulation rapture? Which the tribulation lasts only 3 and half years like the siege of Jerusalem in 70 A.D.? These people are persecuted by a Beast? But the Beast's name was supposed to be known by the Judeans in the first century A.D.?
Revelation 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for the number is that of a man; and his number is six hundred and sixty-six., Mike this was written 2,000 years ago? Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast! What do you do with that? Listen, you have a tribulation which lasts 3 and half years the same amount as the siege of Jerusalem in 70 A..D, Then you have a Beat which ha a number name which the readers in the 1st century A.D. were asked to calculate, to figure out the Greek gematria to find out the name of this individual. It doesn't say here is wisdom for those who will be living sometime in the far off future to calculate the number name? How on earth am I supposed to even consider what you are saying if you refuse to use even the slightest logic in the most simplest verses of Revelation?
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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple
I believe in the post tribulation rapture. Jesus will come for his people after 3.5 years of persecution by the beast and false prophet. Christians will be killed in multitudes by the beast kingdom and also Mystery Babylon. Israel will be involved as a regathered nation.
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You mean you don't know what I believe about Israel? Mike, you are insincere. Mike? Who is Israel? Those guys over in the Middle East? Bensonhurst Brooklyn? Miami Florida? The guys with the black hats and peyos? Mike,
Ezra 2:59-62 And these were they which went up from Telmelah, Telharsa, Cherub, Addan, and Immer: but they could
not shew their father's house, and their seed,
whether they were of Israel:
The children of Delaiah, the children of Tobiah, the children of Nekoda, six hundred fifty and two.And of the children of the priests: the children of Habaiah, the children of Koz, the children of Barzillai; which took a wife of the daughters of Barzillai the Gileadite, and was called after their name: These sought their register among those that
were reckoned by genealogy, but they
were not found: therefore were they,
as polluted, put from the priesthood. What are we supposed to see regathered Mike? A bunch of people who are ancestors of Gentile Europeans who converted to Babylonian Talmudism in the Middle Ages? They never held a covenant with God. NEVER. What are they to be regathered to? The Middle East? Why? They are originally from Eastern and Western Europe, never setting a foot in the Middle East, not one ancestor ever set foot on ground of the Middle East. The Bible tells us who is of Israel, and allowed back into the land. Ezra and Nehemiah provides the proof, that it was through genealogy that they were to prove who they were. You didn't know that I believe that? Sure you did, but on your best day you wouldn't square off with me on that subject. Because you have no idea of how to defend yourself. Just like your spaceship flying Satan. You want to know what I believe, what a laugh
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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple
There will be a group of overcomers (Manchild) who will feed the women in the wilderness. There will be two prophets who will prophesy doom and bring plagues on the nations.
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PROVE IT. Manchild, is taken up into heaven is
Isaiah 66. Who is the woman Mike? Modern Israel, the Two prophets are in Jerusalem where are we told they bring plagues on the nations? The church was persecuted by the Judeans and the Romans. We are told that these witnesses are two lampstands, and olive trees. which the olive tree Paul tells us was comprised of Judean and Gentiles of the Roman world. We are still to this day grafted into this olive tree. They were killed (martyred) , but the church still lives
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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple
YAH will bring judgement and death to multitudes of sinners by the 2 witnesses, 7 trumpets and 7 vials.
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YAH does nothing, because Jesus Christ is the only one found in the New Testament. Your eschatology has made yo erase the name of Jesus from off that palet which converted you to
Acts 2:38 and replaced it with a guess name. You sure know how to mess up a great testimony with your Hebrew Roots infatuation.
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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple
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Where is there a rapture in
Matthew 24,
Luke 21, and
Mark 13? All this chapters are parallel with each other. Non mention a caught up situations. Plus Jesus paints a picture for His audience that it was to happen in their time. Concerning the temple which they inquired of AFTER Jesus condemned it to utter destruction. Your eschatology hits a wall, when you take the discussion on the temple and place it 2,000 years in an unknown future event. With not a true son of Judah in sight? Imagine your eschatology, doesn't have Judeans real live honest to GOD Israelites, tribal born members. Just Lewinsky, Leibowitz, and Goldsteins. Who couldn't prove they were related to Biblical tribal members if their life depended on it.
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After the tribulation Jesus will come and gather his elect as written in 1 Thess 4:16-17. |
Elect? The elect weren't Christians, they were Judeans. That is how if it were all possible they could be deceived
Matthew 24:24. Sweet love of God, that isn't talking about you, you believe Satan flies a space ship, and Jesus tells you to dress up in a burlap bag and preach. You aren't the elect, the remnant of Judah and Israel were the elect, who knew as much as Paul. Who understood Jesus' words. Who taught the Gentiles the OT. 1st Thess is what I tried to explain to your sorry hide, and you played the jerk and mocked my explanation of the Greek word for air. You want to know what I believe? You liar! We do this because you think you can enlist people to attack me while you sit back and watch. Like a female in biker bar, creating a situation to get some poor slob killed. Mike, you are perfect like Jesus? My foot.
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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple
This is the first resurrection. No pre trib rapture came before this. No resurrection or rapture or catching up occured in 70ad which would have otherwise been the first.
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Actually I explained this when I tried to deal with 1st Thess, but you wanted to play bullet head instead. So, now what? I play little monkey for you? Why does it use the word for air, instead of sky, or heaven? Oh, you don't want that? OK, that figures.
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The 1000 year reign of Christ will be over the nations. After the final loosing of satan and he and his followers are cast into Gehenna fire a New Heaven and New Earth will be established. [/B]
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Mike, you are missing somethings, a battle occurs after Satan causes an apostasy, by deceiving the nations. So, not even after a 1,000 years can these people get it right, even when they have Jesus right in front of them? 1,000 years serving Jesus, and Satan still causes them to apostate? Mike, you sure this happens in the future? You sure it doesn't have a deeper meaning? Symbolic? Like the rest of the book of Revelation which warns us not to add or take away unless we lose our souls?
Deuteronomy 4:2,
Deuteronomy 12:32,
Revelation 22:18
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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple
These are the things I stand on in my end time belief. No one may agree with me. Nonetheless it is a brief, concise outline of my faith. After presenting it then I would expect to have questions asked. But no one will be questioning that this is post tribulation belief.
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You would expect to have questions asked? You liar! Mike, I have known you for years, you are no way a question and answer man. When it comes to eschatology. I use to play the fool with jokers like you, myself and others paraded onto FCF with what we believed. To only have to have what we posted ignored. With added stupidity from morons who acted just like you.
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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple
Now perhaps you can give a short, concise statement of what it is you believe. I have been asking for years.
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Jesus speaks to His disciples and answers their questions, when would these things be? The tearing down of the temple. When would be the end of the age? The age of the temple law system. It had to do with them, from Abel, to Zacharias son of Barachias. Individuals who were found among genealogies of Judeans and Israelites. Jesus said it would come upon this generation, which were those He was addressing. The olive tree was domestic, she had some branches broken off because they didn't believe in Christ, but Gentiles wild branches were grafted into their place. Yet, if they were to believe then they would be put back into the their own tree. After 70 A.D. the Judeans weren't taken captive as they were in Babylonian captivity, because this time they were taken with the sword into all nations, and lost forever. Because they were untraceable without their genealogies. You been asking for years? You are a liar, I have explained myself for years. But you are only interested in the females Mike, getting the silly women to believe in your false piety, and your "peace and love" You are perfect Mike? Like Jesus. Or is it YAH?
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