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Old 05-30-2018, 02:24 PM
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Re: Video: Soul Sleep Mortal To Immortal

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Good stuff guys

What about the absent from the body is to be present w the Lord argument?
In the nearby context of 2 Cor. 4:13-14 we find when we will be present with the Lord.

13We having the same spirit of faith, according as it is written, I believed, and therefore have I spoken; we also believe, and therefore speak; 14Knowing that he which raised up the Lord Jesus shall raise up us also by Jesus, and shall present us with you.

Paul knew Jesus would raise him up with the saints.

In 2 Cor 5:8 Paul simply says we are willing to be absent from our present bodies and to be with the Lord. He does not say it happens at that instant. It's a general statement.

Jesus tells us WHEN his people will be with him.

John 14:1-3

1Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. 2In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

Verse 3 Jesus is saying when he comes again he will receive us to himself.

The context before 2 Cor. 5:8 is about the resurrection. The verse following verses 9-10 speaks of being accepted by Jesus at the last day.

9Wherefore we labour
, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. 10For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

So Paul was not laboring to be accepted WHEN HE DIED......but rather at THE JUDGMENT SEAT.

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In the nearby context of 2 Cor. 4:13-14 we find when we will be present with the Lord.

13We having the same spirit of faith, according as it is written, I believed, and therefore have I spoken; we also believe, and therefore speak; 14Knowing that he which raised up the Lord Jesus shall raise up us also by Jesus, and shall present us with you.

Paul knew Jesus would raise him up with the saints.

In 2 Cor 5:8 Paul simply says we are willing to be absent from our present bodies and to be with the Lord. He does not say it happens at that instant. It's a general statement.

Jesus tells us WHEN his people will be with him.

John 14:1-3

1Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. 2In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

Verse 3 Jesus is saying when he comes again he will receive us to himself.

The context before 2 Cor. 5:8 is about the resurrection. The verse following verses 9-10 speaks of being accepted by Jesus at the last day.

9Wherefore we labour
, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. 10For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

So Paul was not laboring to be accepted WHEN HE DIED......but rather at THE JUDGMENT SEAT.
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Re: Video: Soul Sleep Mortal To Immortal

I read through the first 8 verses of 2 Cor 5, and I think I follow what you’re saying… Pauls talking about our physical bodies(house) that we have now in comparison with our new bodies we’ll have following resurrection, correct?

And him making a statement to be absent from the body is to be present with the lord in vs 8 is simply a blanket/general statement of such...absent from our Now physical earthly body will put us present w the Lord in our new body(house)...correct?

This is a big deal for me, I’ve wondered about this, glad to read what you guys have written...hopefully I’m getting it
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I read through the first 8 verses of 2 Cor 5, and I think I follow what you’re saying… Pauls talking about our physical bodies(house) that we have now in comparison with our new bodies we’ll have following resurrection, correct?

And him making a statement to be absent from the body is to be present with the lord in vs 8 is simply a blanket/general statement of such...absent from our Now physical earthly body will put us present w the Lord in our new body(house)...correct?

This is a big deal for me, I’ve wondered about this, glad to read what you guys have written...hopefully I’m getting it
You're getting it Bro! I would suggest scroll to the bottom of this thread where it shows similar topics. There are several other videos I have done recently that will be some help also.

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A very good, sound explanation Bro. MTD! This is how my pastor taught it. A few years back I suggested to someone on AFF that this was speaking of the resurrection and they replied that I was adding to the word. Well context does matter but it seems some will not consider that if they have already come their own conclusions.
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A very good, sound explanation Bro. MTD! This is how my pastor taught it. A few years back I suggested to someone on AFF that this was speaking of the resurrection and they replied that I was adding to the word. Well context does matter but it seems some will not consider that if they have already come their own conclusions.
I see you are from Wisconsin? It seems the better Churches are from there.
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I see you are from Wisconsin? It seems the better Churches are from there.
look out now, dont offend the rest of us........
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I see you are from Wisconsin? It seems the better Churches are from there.


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look out now, dont offend the rest of us........
No offence meant. I am in Kentucky. Just a statement of fact from my personal experience.
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Brother Michael, maybe you can give your view on Rev. 21 sometime.
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