The Unhappy Gay's

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by RachelRose

1) I am not sure it is a spirit of murder but a spirit of self destruction.

2) Was Jim Jones gay?

I totally agree with point 1. 2. yes Jim Jones was Bi sexual. But I doubt that was the root of the problem, that was more of the branches that tree that grew because of the problem.

[jediwill83]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

I wasn't saying that. I was only following the reasoning of Elder Urshan. Because he said the homosexual wears a certain manicured beard, to be recognized as that by other homosexuals.

I wasn't saying I was for his statement or against it.i only was trying to understand where he was coming from.

No...the quote did NOT say anything about a certain beard or style of beard it was exactly, "The homosexual wears the beard."


NO mention of styles just a blanket statement.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by RachelRose

I must comment on this post.

In my travels I have never once heard this! I dare say that religious people have some ridiculous ideas of what gay people think and say.

Conversely, most of the ideas and thoughts the gay people are equally inaccurate. T

How do you know this?

[RachelRose]

Originally Posted by Esaias

How do you know this?

I do not like one line questions and one line answers.

However I think you are referencing my post about how I know what the gay people I have spoken with and how I know what I know about the gay people in the Apostolic church.

I can only speak for what I have heard with my own ears. CNN is mostly fake news but sometimes they do mix some truth in their presentation. I think most Apostolic appear to get there news from CNN. I have had to sit quietly listening to preachers scream and yell how gay people will burn in hell for sleeping together. Which I agree to. Men cannot marry men. Women cannot marry women. They then will add that those evil people are here to steal your children. I have never once heard this in the times I have listened to them talk privately.

I have suggested to the Apostolic if this is your belief that the gays are here to steal your children you only need to look to the government hypnotism system (public schools). I suggest to put your money were your mouth is and vote for politicians that will change the flow of our culture. Additionally why not start a church school or even home school your children.

It is at this point Apostolic get REALLY MEAN. I am saying REALLY MEAN speaking in tongues mean. They freak out and rail at me saying it is our duty to send our children into a meat grinder. We enjoy sacrificing our children to the State.

If I had children I would work two jobs. I would find a new church. I may move to another city but what I would not do is have my children in public school. Our Apostolic church's have this all wrong. If we are really concerned about how the gays are forcing good people to bake cakes we should be protecting our rights. Most church people are all wind and no action.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

I wasn't saying that. I was only following the reasoning of Elder Urshan. Because he said the homosexual wears a certain manicured beard, to be recognized as that by other homosexuals.

I wasn't saying I was for his statement or against it.i only was trying to understand where he was coming from.

Where did Bishop Urshan ever say that?

[Amanah]

saw this on FB and had to share it.
My church does not preach politics, or suggest who to vote for from the pulpit, so in that way we are not political.
But off the record church members certainly are political as this poster suggests.

I posted this in the wrong thread, meant to post it in the cake thread, sorry.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by RachelRose

I do not like one line questions and one line answers.

However I think you are referencing my post about how I know what the gay people I have spoken with and how I know what I know about the gay people in the Apostolic church.

I can only speak for what I have heard with my own ears. CNN is mostly fake news but sometimes they do mix some truth in their presentation. I think most Apostolic appear to get there news from CNN. I have had to sit quietly listening to preachers scream and yell how gay people will burn in hell for sleeping together. Which I agree to. Men cannot marry men. Women cannot marry women. They then will add that those evil people are here to steal your children. I have never once heard this in the times I have listened to them talk privately.

I have suggested to the Apostolic if this is your belief that the gays are here to steal your children you only need to look to the government hypnotism system (public schools). I suggest to put your money were your mouth is and vote for politicians that will change the flow of our culture. Additionally why not start a church school or even home school your children.

It is at this point Apostolic get REALLY MEAN. I am saying REALLY MEAN speaking in tongues mean. They freak out and rail at me saying it is our duty to send our children into a meat grinder. We enjoy sacrificing our children to the State.

If I had children I would work two jobs. I would find a new church. I may move to another city but what I would not do is have my children in public school. Our Apostolic church's have this all wrong. If we are really concerned about how the gays are forcing good people to bake cakes we should be protecting our rights. Most church people are all wind and no action.

RR, you didn't even come close to answering his question. But what you did do is shape shift it towards (homeschooling) and therefore try to redirect. You are a reader, and observant one. Plus you've learned what certain posters like and dislike. Like the evil public school "meatgrinder" So, in your travels. Tell us, when were you in Korea? Where were you stationed that you were able to lead a boy scout troop? You have Alexanderia as your location, but have posted that you are currently in Texas? What is your opinion on cut hair on females, make up? There you go, no one line questions. It will be interesting to see how you answer.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by RachelRose

I must comment on this post.

In my travels I have never once heard this! I dare say that religious people have some ridiculous ideas of what gay people think and say.

Conversely, most of the ideas and thoughts the gay people are equally inaccurate. Thankfully I can very quickly give an account what the Gospel says to those who will listen.

If it was as simple as noticing a hair cut to identify gay people I think years ago the Apostolic Church would have fought harder to stop them from changing the meaning of the word marriage. We did not fight hard enough. I know of at least two people that were gay that served on the platform of a church I was attending and neither of them had beards.

In your travels what is your experience and opinion of men who are cross dressers? Is it normal for a man to want to dress and present themselves as a woman? Do you believe God wants there to be a distinction between men and woman? If we are going to discuss things associated with homosexuality I would think this subject has a lot more bearing that the ridiculous notion that beards have anything to do with it since historically beards (facial hair) have been one of the primary distinctions God gave between men and women.

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Where did Bishop Urshan ever say that?

It's on a video on YouTube but I will find it, and post it. Cuz he did quote unquote say "the homosexual wears the beard." But once again that wasn't all he said. Kind of like Jesus didn't just say "you shouldn't give the children's meat to the dogs." Thats half of the story. He gave the reason and then said that quote. It was a old message so I figured maybe that was true in time past or something. I've never seen it in my lifetime.

But I'll find It

[RachelRose]

Originally Posted by CC1

In your travels what is your experience and opinion of men who are cross dressers? Is it normal for a man to want to dress and present themselves as a woman? Do you believe God wants there to be a distinction between men and woman? If we are going to discuss things associated with homosexuality I would think this subject has a lot more bearing that the ridiculous notion that beards have anything to do with it since historically beards (facial hair) have been one of the primary distinctions God gave between men and women.

I think you are the first person to ask those questions without using a condescending tone.

I need to construct a thoughtful answer. Initially I was going raise the subject when I noticed several people mention some of the song writers (LW and GD) who were in our fellowship long ago. Those song writers ran into problems and left the organization. There were plenty of rumors and all you have to do is did hunt around the internet to find them.

Let us perform a test: let us watch which two make fun of me. I will use their comments to dictate what I do next. I will be completely honest. As of yet I have not found any apostolic forum that has any idea what they are talking about when it comes to something they do not understand.

The first time I pushed back slightly I was drawn to look like something terrible. I laughed to myself. If they only known who I really was. I do have a tragic flaw; I tend to hesitate when I know I am right about something.

I will call out one person publicly who I envy and that is Aquila. He is bold, he is thoughtful and can give an account with Bible verses as to what he believes. As far as I can tell he is defending the faith and seems to be willing to always have a cheerful comment. I do not know. I am not satisfied with my fellowship in our town. I grew up in possibly the most famous apostolic "mega" church we have. I am 99% convinced the home based church will be the future (the 501C3 church is just an albatross around the necks of those who buy into that model). My favorite part of the Bible is the book of Acts. Yet it seems the Apostles had problem keeping everyone on the "same page." Even the Apostles did not agree on things and had split ups. Hundreds of people on this web site and only one or two that are not filled with anger.

It is good thing no one we expect to win to Christ shows up here: if I was not saved I would have left after the second day.