Are Trinitarians Saved?

[Strict Baptist]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Here is a research paper I recently wrote on the subject...

Attachment 6113

I shall have a read as soon as possible. Nevertheless, my reading list is so long that it will likely outlive me!

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by Strict Baptist

I missed part of your post stating you believe the manifestations are simultaneous; how do you deal with the Transfiguration or baptism, for example? As to the aforementioned manual, I will see about quoting it another time when I have access since I don't have it on this device.

this is a link to the manual online


http://www.pentecostalsofdadeville.c...upcimanual.pdf

[Strict Baptist]

Originally Posted by Esaias

I do not think you have a correct understanding of Oneness theology. God, our Father, who is Spirit, who is the Word, was manifested in flesh, whom we know as Jesus Christ. His virgin birth is what particularly entitles Him to be called "the Son of God". His resurrection declares Him to be so. The terms Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are terms referring to God in His various capacities and relations to man. The relational aspects between the terms, as relating to each other, arise due to the Incarnation. Thus, the "distinctions" exist due to Christ's humanity, and NOT due to eternal relations between several divine minds or "persons".

The early Oneness believers, so called, were excommunicated by the catholic apostates via their Ecumenical Councils and Papal Decrees. Those same people, by the same means, invented the doctrine of trinitarianism, along with clericalism, veneration of relics, prayer to the dead, Purgatory, the Magisterium, and a host of other Antichrist doctrines.

The doctrine of the trinity cannot be found anywhere stated in Scripture. The core, required affirmations of trinitarianism likewise cannot be found in Scripture (except for those shared with the Biblical Oneness view). Therefore, trinitarianism is of necessity a post-apostolic non-biblical doctrine. That alone renders it human opinion and not necessary to be believed. But it also flatly contradicts the Strict Monotheism of the Bible. Which renders it heresy, which if persisted in will ........ the soul.

Eternal life is to know the true God and Jesus Christ. Therefore, highly erroneous beliefs about God and Christology are incompatible with eternal life.

I appreciate your statement, except that Irenæus and Tertullian believed in the Trinity, for whatever wrong or right they were, long before 325, 451, etcetera, including we Waldenses who ever were independent of Rome and barbarically persecuted by the little horn. I could point out the Hebrews did believe in two Creators (bara in Job 35.10 and The Preacher 12.1 is plural, and there is the Elohim problem) or Jehovahs, or Isaiah 48, but since this is not a debate, I rather to see what you neo-Sabellians believe. Is stating the Father, Son and Spirit are the manifestations of Christ correct, or that this is the Father in Oneness doctrine?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Strict Baptist

As stated, I put a baptismal debate request out in the Salvational Issues section of the Debate subform. Nobody answered; only Esaias showed interest with questions to clarify. If you'd like to discuss this on SPBR, you can email me or message me. I'd be happy to discuss that there especially since baptism wasn't the topic of this thread.

Well, I know that water baptism isn't the topic of the thread. However, salvation is. And what I'm trying to determine is... do you believe in things as the found in Scripture, and as historians testify they were?

Because, if you don't.... you're doctrine is already off.

[BuckeyeBukaroo]

I think some Trinitarians will be saved-- but don't ask me how because I just don't know. All I know is what I know and that He knows and loves me. Keeping my records right while watching both day and night is just enough to keep me busy from throwing rocks at them.

[Amanah]

Oneness:

I think the foundational truth is that God is a Spirit

John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

There is only One Spirit

Ephesians 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

And Jesus is that Spirit come in the flesh

2 Corinthians 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

When you have Jesus, you have the Father

John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Jesus

John 14:18 18I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

[Amanah]

Jesus is the name of the Father

John 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

Jesus is the name of the Son

Matthew 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Jesus is the name of the Spirit

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Jesus is the name given for salvation

Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

[Amanah]

If you are not baptized in the name of Jesus, you are not saved.

Acts 2:38 38Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

[consapente89]

Originally Posted by BuckeyeBukaroo

I think some Trinitarians will be saved-- but don't ask me how because I just don't know. All I know is what I know and that He knows and loves me. Keeping my records right while watching both day and night is just enough to keep me busy from throwing rocks at them.

Yes, some trinitarians will be saved. Thank God.

How? By obeying the Gospel and repenting of their sins, their false trinitarian doctrine, being Baptized in the name of Jesus Christ and receiving the Holy Ghost. Trinitarians will be saved just the same way as every other NT Christian.

I was once a trinitarian, but now I'm saved!

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Amanah

If you are not baptized in the name of Jesus, you are not saved.

Acts 2:38 38Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

True. But there is indeed room for debate as to what constitutes being baptized in the name of Jesus.