YÁohu ulhÍm

[Sister Alvear]

Who rewrote the Bible? The guy here is not that smart you must be talking about the group he is with.

We are trying to put together a booklet to hand out...any help appreciated...there are LOTS of these groups down here...none of them really agree with each other...

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Who rewrote the Bible? The guy here is not that smart you must be talking about the group he is with.

Did you read the Bible translation on the site you posted?

I thought this individual was the spearhead of the group. Thank you for the clarification.

I'm reading through the made up Bible translation, and website. They believe that some Roman conspiracy corrupted the New Testament. This is also taught by Atheists and Talmudic Rabbis. Hence the reason why this movement is a stepping stone towards both groups.

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

We are trying to put together a booklet to hand out...any help appreciated...there are LOTS of these groups down here...none of them really agree with each other...

Just working through the "groups" website.

[Aquila]

I believe there is still hope for the Hebrew Groots Movement.

[TJJJ]

The Hebrew roots movement is another fringe wacky movement....

[Evang.Benincasa]

The word Christ is a direct translation of Messiah.



Christ (n.)

"the Anointed," synonymous with and translating to Greek Hebrew mashiah (see messiah), a title given to Jesus of Nazareth; Old English crist (by 830, perhaps 675), from Latin Christus, from Greek khristos "the anointed," noun use of verbal adjective of khriein "to rub, anoint" (from PIE root *ghrei- "to rub").

In the primitive Church it was a title, and used with the definite article, but from an early period it was used without it and regarded as part of the proper name of Jesus. It was treated as a proper name in Old English, but not regularly capitalized until 17c. Pronunciation with long -i- is result of Irish missionary work in England, 7c.-8c. The ch- form, regular since c. 1500 in English, was rare before. Capitalization of the word begins 14c. but is not fixed until 17c. The Latin term drove out Old English Hæland "healer, savior," as the preferred descriptive term for Jesus.

The title Christ appears in the Septuagint LXX for the word the anointed.

Amos 4:13

For, behold, I am he that strengthens the thunder, and creates the wind, and proclaims to men his Christ, forming the morning and the darkness, and mounting on the high places of the earth, The Lord God Almighty is his name.

διότι ἰδοὺ ἐγὼ στερεῶν βροντὴν καὶ κτίζων πνεῦμα καὶ ἀπαγγέλλων εἰς ἀνθρώπους τὸν χριστὸν αὐτοῦ ποιῶν ὄρθρον καὶ ὁμίχλην καὶ ἐπιβαίνων ἐπὶ τὰ ὕψη τῆς γῆς κύριος ὁ θεὸς ὁ παντοκράτωρ ὄνομα αὐτῷ


Isaiah 45:1

So says the Lord God to my Christ Cyrus, whose right hand I have held, that nations might be obedient before him; and I will break through the strength of kings; I will open doors before him, and cities shall not be closed.

οὕτως λέγει κύριος ὁ θεὸς τῷ χριστῷ μου Κύρῳ οὗ ἐκράτησα τῆς δεξιᾶς ἐπακοῦσαι ἔμπροσθεν αὐτοῦ ἔθνη καὶ ἰσχὺν βασιλέων διαρρήξω ἀνοίξω ἔμπροσθεν αὐτοῦ θύρας καὶ πόλεις οὐ συγκλεισθήσονται

[Sister Alvear]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Did you read the Bible translation on the site you posted?

I thought this individual was the spearhead of the group. Thank you for the clarification.

I'm reading through the made up Bible translation, and website. They believe that some Roman conspiracy corrupted the New Testament. This is also taught by Atheists and Talmudic Rabbis. Hence the reason why this movement is a stepping stone towards both groups.



Just working through the "groups" website.

thank you for spending time and being willing to help...am very grateful.

[Evang.Benincasa]

The Sacred Name, Yahwists claim that we MUST use the Hebrew names for God and Jesus.

Yahweh, Yahwah, Yahawah, Yahovah, Yaheveh, Yehaweh, Yehowah, Yehowih, Yehwih, Yahuweh, Yahueh, Yahuah, Jahveh, Yahvé, Iabe, Iahueh, Iehouah, and Jehovah. Iehovah, Iehowah, Eyeh, Heyah, Ieyah.

The list is as long as a Texas interstate is wide.

But what I must stress here is that Sacred name, Yahwists, and "some" Hebrew Rootists believe and teach that the Bible, as we have it today. Is a corrupted document. Only those who are willing to translate it back to Hebrew can repair it. Yet, again in the immortal words of Elder Epley .....

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I debated two Yahweh guys I think they were sincere but these guys like myself couldn’t order a kosher hot dog in Jerusalem became ancient Hebrew scholars. It was laughable if it hadn’t been so deadly serious.

Sister Alvear pointed out that the brother who was once Apostolic and has left the movement to go native with the Sacred Namers was....

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Who rewrote the Bible? The guy here is not that smart you must be talking about the group he is with.

There you have it, Elder Epley's words are confirmed. What we have in the Sacred Name movement, "some" Hebrew Rootists don't have a clue how to order a kosher hot dog in Hebrew at a hot dog stand in Jerusalem. Yet, want to be Bible revisionists? Yet, we had that with another SACRED NAME group, called the Jehovah's Witnesses. Who have The New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures, by the Watch Tower. Which is just an NIV with Jehovah (a CATHOLIC creation) throughout the entire Bible. Even in the New Testament, where there is NO evidence for the tetragrammaton in any manuscript of the New Testament.

The House of Yahweh based in Abilene, Texas, the home of Buffalo" Bill Hawkins. Who changed his name to "Yisrayl" Funny thing about "some" Hebrew Rooters is that while they are rewriting the Old and New Testaments, they change the names of the months, days, church house, Jesus, God, Lord, and eventually, they change their own names. A group I know personally called the community or the 12 Tribes take baptized converts and rename them with a Hebrew name. Well the House of Yahweh also have their own Bible, rewritten by old Buffalo Bill himself. Buffalo Bill also predicted the end of the World in June 12 2008. I guess we can add that to his long list of being wrong.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Sacred Namers will use Jeremiah 23:27 in the attempt that this verse is a prophecy towards false ministry. Ministry who cause their people to forget God's real authentic sacred name. Yet, what Jeremiah was presenting was not that people would forget how to pronounce or spell God's name. But actually a switch from a true God's authority to a fasle god's authority. We see this theme in 1 Kings 18:21. Where the prophet Elijah asks the question, “how long will you go timidly between two different opinions? If the LORD is God, follow Him; but if Baal, then follow him.” The main theme is the children of Israel always wanting to commit spiritual adultery on God. Hence Jeremiah 23:27 has nothing to do with teachers of the Law ailing to teach people how to spell and pronounce the tetragrammaton correctly.

[Evang.Benincasa]

The more you read through this website the more it is using eschatology to prove why they are Yahwists. They use Daniel 8:9-12 and claim it is the Roman Catholic Papacy who corrupted the Bible in Latin. Yet, in the "End Times" Truth will be Restored. So, like the Millerites who believed in restored truth because the end would somewhere around the years 1843–1844. When Miller's time ran out the ball was handed to Seventh Day Adventists and the Jehovah Witnesses. Both with "restored truth," and New Light doctrine. The ones who really want to own the phrase "Restored Truth" are the Mormons. Yet, everyone from turn of the century Pentecostals to 12 Tribes Community with founder Eugene Spriggs look at themselves as "Restored Truth." Main reason is because that they couldn't find an unbroken chain of their past to their present. No one (that they knew) believed like them. No theological school of thought. In the United States these groups had splinter groups who like tributaries from a river they sprung forth from the "Restored Truth" teaching. Each one believing that THEY were the ones who FOUND the truth. The way the story goes is that the original truth of the apostles was lost from Nicea 325 A.D. until Topeka Kansas at 11:00 p.m. January 1, 1901, or 1844, or 1830 in Palmyra New York, or 1970 for Eugene Spriggs and the 12 Tribes Community. So, take your pick, like the Yahwists who are down in Brazil who must have a year of their revelation could be 1930 as a Brazilian continuation of the American Sacred Name movement

Truth was never lost, it may be hid, but if it is hid it is hid to them that are lost 2 Corinthians 4:3-4. Deuteronomy 30:11-14 and Romans 10:8-13 the Truth is right in front of us only if we want it. It doesn't need a restoration, or whether it's an eschatology or sacred anthroponomastics. The word has gone out and our Bible is available in many languages. Truth since the time of the apostles has always been there.

“For this commandment that I command you today is not too hard for you, neither is it far off. It is not in heaven, that you should say, ‘Who will ascend to heaven for us and bring it to us, that we may hear it and do it? Neither is it beyond the sea, that you should say, ‘Who will go over the sea for us and bring it to us, that we may hear it and do it? But the word is very near you. It is in your mouth and in your heart, so that you can do it."

[Sister Alvear]

you know you mentioned the 12 tribes...I once went with a friend and spent a few days with them here in Brazil...very nice people...but a very false doctrine...so sad...They were so sweet and gave me one of their few beds...I had the impression they lived very poor. Sad that people with such false doctrines sacrifice so much in vain....