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Old 11-07-2017, 10:43 PM
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To the genuine penitent baptism in Jesus Name remits sins whether they understand it or not. I always include for the remission of sins but it wouldnt be necessary.
Wouldn't a person's intent be of importance here? Isn't intention one of the necessary ingredients to a proper, Christian baptism?

For example, if a person intent is to be baptized in order to please their spouse, have they really been baptized? If they intend to be baptised because they think they already have remission of sins, and they think baptism is an outward sign of an inward grace, and/or that baptism is merely a ceremonial method of being admitted to membership in a local assembly, is their baptism truly baptism?

Have they really believed the gospel if they believe definitely false doctrine about the purpose of baptism?
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Old 11-07-2017, 10:46 PM
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His NAME is Jesus!



Jesus said:
"He that believeth AND is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned."

Believe what?
Believes that his/her sins will be remitted in the waters of baptism, and that he/she
SHALL receive the Holy Spirit for eternal life.

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That seems to be proven by Acts 22:16, which shows that Paul was baptized for a particular reason involving the washing away of his sins.
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That seems to be proven by Acts 22:16, which shows that Paul was baptized for a particular reason involving the washing away of his sins.
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Old 11-10-2017, 12:24 PM
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Re: Baptism Question

What if someone was water baptized in the name of Jesus at a young age after receiving the baptism of the Holy Ghost... but they didn't understand the difference between the name of Jesus or titles, nor did they understand that it was for the remission of sins? Was it valid? Should they be water baptized in the name of Jesus again? Or should they pray about it and simply do what they feel the Holy Spirit would have them do?
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Old 11-11-2017, 01:28 AM
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What if someone was water baptized in the name of Jesus at a young age after receiving the baptism of the Holy Ghost... but they didn't understand the difference between the name of Jesus or titles, nor did they understand that it was for the remission of sins? Was it valid? Should they be water baptized in the name of Jesus again? Or should they pray about it and simply do what they feel the Holy Spirit would have them do?
If they were too young to understand, or were pushed into it, or not correctly instructed, or just wanted to make mom and dad happy, or any other reason, I suggest they strongly consider being re-immersed.

If all their baptism was, was an action that otherwise held no particular significance for the child, it comes off as empty or vain, even meaningless to the child, once he or she is grown.

My wife went through this very thing when she was seven. She had received the Holy Spirit when she was five, but her family wasn't a part of an assembly at the time, and she soon forgot it. Then they joined with an Apostolic assembly, and my wife, and both of her parents were all immersed on the same day. My wife barely remembers it, just that her mom wanted the pastor to put her under one more time, because her foot was sticking out of the water. He obliged and my wife says she went under the second time shaking her fist at her mom, because she wasn't enjoying the experience of being dunked in a tub of cold water.
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Wouldn't a person's intent be of importance here? Isn't intention one of the necessary ingredients to a proper, Christian baptism?

For example, if a person intent is to be baptized in order to please their spouse, have they really been baptized? If they intend to be baptised because they think they already have remission of sins, and they think baptism is an outward sign of an inward grace, and/or that baptism is merely a ceremonial method of being admitted to membership in a local assembly, is their baptism truly baptism?

Have they really believed the gospel if they believe definitely false doctrine about the purpose of baptism?
These are good questions here...

I'm pulling this up again because of a need to know. If the one performing the baptism is doing so for the reasons listed above, and not because they believe it is necessary for salvation, is it valid? And how can we ever be sure if it is valid?

I grew up with the understanding that the Name was all that was necessary, but there are folks baptizing today without teaching remission.
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A follow up question:

Is it necessary for the person being baptized to believe it is for the purpose of receiving remission of their sins?
I believe so. No scripture but I was baptized in Jesus Name twice, and the first time I didn't believe this. Actually I was baptized in Jesus Name because I could see it in the scriptures and wanted to cover my bases the first time. And until I saw it as a necessity not a option, or a plan b, and for remission of sins and got baptized again it was of no effect.
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Wouldn't a person's intent be of importance here? Isn't intention one of the necessary ingredients to a proper, Christian baptism?

For example, if a person intent is to be baptized in order to please their spouse, have they really been baptized? If they intend to be baptised because they think they already have remission of sins, and they think baptism is an outward sign of an inward grace, and/or that baptism is merely a ceremonial method of being admitted to membership in a local assembly, is their baptism truly baptism?

Have they really believed the gospel if they believe definitely false doctrine about the purpose of baptism?
In our church it has been said over, and over again. If we baptize you in Jesus name. Before you get baptized, you absolutely know how, and why you are being baptized in Jesus name. I don't baptize anyone who doesn't know what is going on. I don't baptize the UNBELIEVER. Meaning, dunk first, learn later. I have watched individuals get a speed reading lesson in the baptistry of Acts 2:38. Sorry, but that doesn't fly. That's just me, anyone else can do as they are lead by the Lord Jesus Christ in their own congregation, church family. There are people who hadn't a clue why they were being baptized in Jesus name, what it was all about. They just knew that they needed to be baptized, and they came up speaking in tongues. Yet, there are also people who got baptized for mommy and daddy, or PeePaw wanted them to get baptized. Or the spouse or pastor wanted Joe Sinner to get in the tank. They were lost then, and they are still lost now. Baptized in Jesus name, but as lost as a potato.
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I believe so. No scripture but I was baptized in Jesus Name twice, and the first time I didn't believe this. Actually I was baptized in Jesus Name because I could see it in the scriptures and wanted to cover my bases the first time. And until I saw it as a necessity not a option, or a plan b, and for remission of sins and got baptized again it was of no effect.
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I lived it bro, people can speculate to the best of their understanding. But the Holy Ghost led me to get baptized again. There was a uneasiness in my Spirit that wouldn't go away. Until I was baptized in Jesus Name again. Just being run through the channels like that to be counted as a number like cattle caused me to be confused. I had a war with myself over being baptized again. Truthfully I had to ask my Pastor multiple times until he finally did it, but he wanted to make sure it was necessary. In the end he did it, but he gave me a space of months before he did it. By the time I did get baptized I knew beyond the shadow of a doubt it was necessary, and that there was no other way.

Hey this is just a conversation piece but I believe that baptism is a covenant cut with God in Jesus Name. But I believe when you get baptized in His Name and then receive the Holy Ghost and you go back on the necessity of needing to be baptized, and then coming against baptism in Jesus Name saying it's unnecessary, I believe that makes that covenant null and of no effect. It's the same as if you weren't ever baptized also. I have no scripture for it but it's something that I believe and I believe it's God that quickened the understanding unto me.
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