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Old 06-19-2007, 06:10 PM
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I have never, at least not intentionally, talked to an inanimate object.
Somehow, I find that hard to believe. LOL!

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If I saw an artist talking to his tools I'd think he had a few screws loose.
Most people don't talk to inanimate objects when people are around.

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Are you suggesting that God is nothing without the dust of the ground?
Not sure where you got that.

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God did not speak to the dirt!!!!!
You were there? How do you know? He spoke to a lot of inanimate objects and they did what He bid them do.
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Old 06-19-2007, 06:12 PM
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Angels were present though and angels might have also had a similiar nature to God being spirits themselves.
But they were merely stand-bys. They had nothing to do with creating man.

The dirt did, however, and it only makes sense that He was speaking to the dirt when making man.
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Old 06-19-2007, 06:36 PM
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I know this is another subject but in reference to only angels being created, who was Cain referring to in Genesis 4:13 when he told the Lord that whoever finds him would kill him.
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Old 06-19-2007, 06:38 PM
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I like to think God was talking to the angels. I wonder if there were some dispute between God and Satan that said the angels that left with Satan couldn't help it because of how they were created so God decided to make us after God's likeness and maybe some angelic likeness to prove that we CAN live for God? That may be some extra-biblical thinking on my part, but I have wondered it.
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Old 06-19-2007, 07:36 PM
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Angels were present though and angels might have also had a similiar nature to God being spirits themselves.
The angels are made neither in the image nor the likeness of God. However, we are made in the image and likeness of both God and dust of the ground.

Angels weren't the only beings present. All the animals and God's other creations were there too, but I don't think He was speaking to them.
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So the dirt helped God create? Why could not God speak to the angels in the same way you say he spoke to dirt?
The angels didn't help God create anything, but the dirt did. See, when God speaks to something, it does what He tells it to do, even if it won't do the same for us.

So yes, I believe the dirt went where God wanted it to.

Ever try and make something from dirt? I bet you won't get much cooperation!
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I know this is another subject but in reference to only angels being created, who was Cain referring to in Genesis 4:13 when he told the Lord that whoever finds him would kill him.
Sadly, there is no timeline during those first few verses, but I think it would be interesting to know how old Cain and Abel were when Cain did his evil deed.

I speculate that several years, even hundreds had passed at that time and there were several people already on the earth that would kill him, knowing what he'd done to their brother/uncle.
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DO you not suppose that God, who inhabits all of time at once, could have breathed a prophetic utterance to the son? As i mentioned earlier In

Rom 5:14
14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

Adam was created in the image of Jesus (God manifest in the flesh)

As far as God was concerned Jesus was slain before the foundation of the world

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8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

God calls those things that are not as though they are.

Rom 4:17
17(As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.

They are not, as far as we are concerned, but to God it is in existence

These are some of my thoughts on the subject. Although i suppose that no one really knows except for God.
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Old 06-19-2007, 08:30 PM
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It has always been my understanding that when Moses was inspired of God to record the words of Genesis 1:26-27, he (Moses) was stating, in essence, that God was "counselling" with Himself. Is this not what the apostle Paul conveyed when he penned the words of Ephesians 1:11, wherein he (Paul) implied that God "...worketh ALL things after the counsel of his own will"?

How often do we "counsel" with our will before we undertake to do something? I know that I perhaps expend more time in "counselling" with myself PRIOR to doing things, than I sometimes expend in performing that which I was about to do.

This understanding seems to be more plausible, for me at least, than all of the others I have heard or read about.
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Old 06-19-2007, 08:49 PM
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That is another angle that i have heard before, and i agree that is likely very possible. I kind of like how the view that i stated brings in the fact that God made all things by the son. It kind of answers that question at the same time.

For what it's worth.
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