The Conservative Case for Single Payer:

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by n david

It is a government takeover of healthcare. Medicare is government healthcare.

No. It isn't. lol

The United Kingdom has taken over healthCARE. Doctors are government employees. Single payer is only INSURANCE. With single payer the government only makes sure that patients are covered and that doctors are paid.

The problem with using meme's and cartoons, is they're extremely exaggerated and almost always wrong.

So, are saying that our patchwork private insurance system is not a red tape nightmare? And what happens when an insurance company denies coverage for a service rendered? Doctors aren't paid. And that loss is passed down to us, the consumer through higher costs in healthcare, which inflates our premiums. So, by denying coverage... insurance companies get the sheer joy of charging us more.

Most of the medical community is at wits end with our system. There are pockets of doctors and specialists who attend to the well to do. They aren't concerned as much as the average doctor or private practitioner.

[Originalist]

Meanwhile......single payer in California is DEAD.


http://www.latimes.com/politics/esse...htmlstory.html

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Meanwhile......single payer in California is DEAD.


http://www.latimes.com/politics/esse...htmlstory.html

It isn't "dead":

“SB 562 was sent to the Assembly woefully incomplete,” Rendon said in a statement. “Even senators who voted for SB 562 noted there are potentially fatal flaws in the bill, including the fact it does not address many serious issues, such as financing, delivery of care, cost controls, or the realities of needed action by the Trump Administration and voters to make SB 562 a genuine piece of legislation.”

Rendon took pains to note that his action does not kill the bill entirely — because it is the first year of a two-year session, it could be revived next year.

It's a setback, but it isn't dead yet. They need to flesh out the legislation.

[Bowas]

Health care has 3 elements.

1.) Affordability
2.) Universality
3.) Quality

It is impossible to have all 3 elements at the same time.
There can only be 2 out of the 3.

It's just the way it works.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Bowas

Health care has 3 elements.

1.) Affordability
2.) Universality
3.) Quality

It is impossible to have all 3 elements at the same time.
There can only be 2 out of the 3.

It's just the way it works.

Ever notice how they never have a problem finding the money to wage war?

[Disciple4life]

[Disciple4life]

Excellent idea Aquila!

The Russians and Islamic Extremest are trying to make U.S. citizens sick so that we won't have enough healthy people to serve in the military.
We must give every man, woman and child excellent health care so that we can be a healthy nation.
Only then can we have enough people to wage the ultimate war against these commie you know whats!

[Disciple4life]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Ever notice how they never have a problem finding the money to wage war?

Similar point is that we have enough money to put people into uniforms and send them oversees but we cant afford decent healthcare for them when they get back.

You can work your whole life pay into the system through high taxes but if you get sick you are on your own in this country!!!

[jfrog]

I think single payer is coming. May take it 100 years but it is coming.

[Aquila]

I was talking to a vet this week over the 4th of July holiday. He said something very interesting. I wish I could remember his exact words, but here's the sentiment of our conversation...

- Our veterans aren't taken care of.
- Healthcare is too expensive and not enough people covered.
- Medicare is under fire.
- Medicaid is under fire.
- Social Security is under fire.
- Corporations like Wal-Mart are putting mom and pop shops out of business.
- Wages are too low compared to the cost of living.
- Unions are crumbling.
- The Middle Class is evaporating.
- Corporations lobby government to claim eminent domain and seize private land.
- Pharmaceutical companies are buying up important medical advancements, patenting them, and burying them.
- Corporations rake in record profits and continue to demand tax cuts and subsidies at the expense of the working class, the poor, and the elderly.
- CEO's claim record profits ranging into the hundreds of millions a year.
- The educational system is crumbling in on itself and the U.S. is falling farther and farther behind in math, science, and the number of college graduates.
- Our civil infrastructure is in dire need of updating and repair.

He then said, and I'll never forget it, "After they're (conservatives) done with us, there won't be any reason to go to war because there won't be anything left worth fighting for."

His thoughts were sobering.