True Jesus Church = not saved

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Jason B

Lets just chalk it up to another large group of people who believe oneness, baptism in Jesus Name and the initial evidence doctrine, who are not saved. Ya'll already eliminated all trinitarians, all "liberal" "charismatic" apostolics, and several conservatives who dont agree, so just keep whittling "the church down" until its yall 4 and no more.....it is the "apostolic" way, isnt it?

I forgot, you believe folks can be saved whether they are baptised or not. Correct?

I pointed this out before, and I'll do it again - exclusivity is not unique to apostolics, it's a quality of practically all "Christian" churches except the same ones who 'include' gays, lesbians, and new agers in their heavenly roster.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Who ever is using JD's account right now should stop

That isn't cool using someone's account without their knowledge.

Thanks bro.

I was just asking for the sake of discussion.

I am nowhere near the point of advocating infant baptism.

[Steven Avery]

Originally Posted by Esaias

exclusivity is not unique to apostolics, it's a quality of practically all "Christian" churches except the same ones who 'include' gays, lesbians, and new agers in their heavenly roster.

Even the perversion and occult embracing "Christians" would exclude fundamentalist and evangelical Christians from fellowship (and presumably eternal life). Lack of tolerance, you know.

[Steven Avery]

When I studied the TJC (there is one of their churches in Queens, NY, it was actually close by the church of Scotty Teats. And I was in contact with the Houston, Texas gentleman with a TJC background and a public ministry) ... I attended a couple of sabbath meetings.

This issue was very much a concern, I do think that some of their people who are infant baptized may be baptized again later when older and cognizant. However, I do not say that definitively, and it is not a standard praxis.

They seem to really believe their apologetic rationale for baptizing infants.

Steven

[Michael The Disciple]

Jason:

Lets just chalk it up to another large group of people who believe oneness, baptism in Jesus Name and the initial evidence doctrine, who are not saved. Ya'll already eliminated all trinitarians, all "liberal" "charismatic" apostolics, and several conservatives who dont agree, so just keep whittling "the church down" until its yall 4 and no more.....it is the "apostolic" way, isnt it?

Jason, practically every day I am told I am in a CULT on Paltalk where I frequent online. Many times I have been told I am going to Hell because I reject the Trinity. I have to laugh when I hear people talking about how exclusive the Oneness people are.

Trins are every bit as harsh if not more than Apostolic people about whos going to Hell. Historically Trins have slaughtered MILLIONS of people who disagree with them.

Catholics you say? Yes but are they not Trinitarians? Yes they are. Was not Martin Luther a Trin when he wrote his famous work The Lies Of The Jews? Calling for Jewish Synagogues to be burned along with their writings? And IF they were allowed to LIVE be turned into slaves?

Why YES he was.

And can we find historical evidence that any Oneness Teacher has ever murdered anyone because of their faith? I have never seen any evidence of it.

So yes tell us how EXCLUSIVE Oneness people are.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Esaias

I forgot, you believe folks can be saved whether they are baptised or not. Correct?

Misleading.

I believe in justification by faith. I believe if someone truly repents and trusts in Christ and they get hit by a bus, they will die saved. But practically speaking I believe anyone who repents and trusts in Christ should be obedient to His commandment and be baptized. Refusal to do so suggests an absence of genuine repentance and saving faith.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Jason B

Misleading.

I believe in justification by faith. I believe if someone truly repents and trusts in Christ and they get hit by a bus, they will die saved.

Offering an emotional plea as doctrinal evidence never proves anything. That is merely waxing philosophically. With the hope your opponent will accept your sad story of a neophyte getting hit by a bus after he said a sinner's prayer. No, whether a tree falls to the south or to the north, in the place where it falls, there it will lie. The "I" believe method is also flawed, because no one cares what you or I believe. If it isn't book, chapter, and verse then our beliefs are just the white cane in our hands reflecting off of our black sunglasses as we head to the ditch.

Originally Posted by Jason B

But practically speaking I believe anyone who repents and trusts in Christ should be obedient to His commandment and be baptized.

No consistency, again another proselytizer confuses other white cane holders. Telling them out of one side of the mouth that all you need is faith alone. Then from the other side saying, if the bus misses you, and you live longer then the flat neophyte you do the rest of these items? Again, more focus on a to do list, rather than what the Bible is telling us holistically.

Originally Posted by Jason B

Refusal to do so suggests an absence of genuine repentance and saving faith.

So, the moral of the story is stay out of the road until you bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance?

Here we have a One Stepper if you get hit by a Greyhound, Three Stepper if it misses you?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Offering an emotional plea as doctrinal evidence never proves anything. That is merely waxing philosophically. With the hope your opponent will accept your sad story of a neophyte getting hit by a bus after he said a sinner's prayer. No, whether a tree falls to the south or to the north, in the place where it falls, there it will lie. The "I" believe method is also flawed, because no one cares what you or I believe. If it isn't book, chapter, and verse then our beliefs are just the white cane in our hands reflecting off of our black sunglasses as we head to the ditch.





No consistency, again another proselytizer confuses other white cane holders. Telling them out of one side of the mouth that all you need is faith alone. Then from the other side saying, if the bus misses you, and you live longer then the flat neophyte you do the rest of these items? Again, more focus on a to do list, rather than what the Bible is telling us holistically.




So, the moral of the story is stay out of the road until you bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance?

Here we have a One Stepper if you get hit by a Greyhound, Three Stepper if it misses you?

Wasn't it just oh so fortunate the Ethiopian eunuch stumbled on some water at just the right time? Why, it's almost like God Himself is able to make a way where there seems to be no way! Almost as if God were in control of salvation! It's a miracle he didn't get run over by some passing chariot...

Whodathunkit?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Wasn't it just oh so fortunate the Ethiopian eunuch stumbled on some water at just the right time? Why, it's almost like God Himself is able to make a way where there seems to be no way! Almost as if God were in control of salvation! It's a miracle he didn't get run over by some passing chariot...

Whodathunkit?

I keep saying it, it is more postmodernism. All the Ethiopian eunuchs diving into oceans of water after reading Isaiah won't change a thing. Because it isn't for lack of reading the Bible. It is because of a cultural change where the Christ of the Gospel must be inclusive, instead of exclusive. The Christ which Churchanity created doesn't have a narrow way, and a strait gate. The Christ of Churchanity has a mega highway leading to a massively wide open door.

[houston]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Wasn't it just oh so fortunate the Ethiopian eunuch stumbled on some water at just the right time? Why, it's almost like God Himself is able to make a way where there seems to be no way! Almost as if God were in control of salvation! It's a miracle he didn't get run over by some passing chariot...

Whodathunkit?

Almost as if the scenario was predestined.