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Old 02-15-2017, 07:37 PM
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Wow. I did not figure you for a hit and run commenter. You accuse someone of hate and refuse to back it up. Wow.
I fail to see a real logical connection between your posts so I'm not going to fight the battle. You're jumping all over the place. What ethnicity do you think I am?
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Old 02-15-2017, 07:47 PM
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I fail to see a real logical connection between your posts so I'm not going to fight the battle. You're jumping all over the place. What ethnicity do you think I am?

Whatever ethnicity you might be really does not matter. But it is obvious you believe Hispanic illegals should get a pass for identity theft while Americans would go to jail for it.

And I have not jumped all over the place. I simply quoted your comments and asked you tp explain them. So why don't you? Please explain where there was "hate" in anything I said.
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Old 02-15-2017, 09:46 PM
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Whatever ethnicity you might be really does not matter. But it is obvious you believe Hispanic illegals should get a pass for identity theft while Americans would go to jail for it.

And I have not jumped all over the place. I simply quoted your comments and asked you tp explain them. So why don't you? Please explain where there was "hate" in anything I said.
Yes, I definitely think Hispanic illegals should be able to steal identities with no consequences. Give me a break. Open up your mind a little and see the broader picture beyond your personal experience. Obviously no one should get a break on a crime and I didn't suggest that.

Besides, you're contradicting yourself - you said the identity thief was African and then you attacked me for letting my "ethnicity" get in my way. Am I African? Hispanic? Chinese? Congolese pygmy? Which ethnicity is it??

However, OUR interests should be Biblical first, which includes caring for the foreigner, not spreading anecdotal stories to stir up animosity (do you like that word better?) against them. Sure, be as American as you want, but that's not, or shouldn't be, our first allegiance.
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Old 02-16-2017, 02:06 AM
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However, OUR interests should be Biblical first, which includes caring for the foreigner....
1. That does not include surrendering the nation to hordes of foreign invaders.

2. Biblically, the stranger is required to follow the same laws as the citizen, not be immune or "not subject to arrest" nor "eligible for special treatment".

3. While strangers are expected to visit, and some even to reside, MASSES of foreigners moving in - especially illegally - is a sign of Divine Judgment against sin.

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Colonies planted; or, Nations blessed and punished.

A Psalm for New England.

When God, provoked with daring crimes,
Scourges the madness of the times,
He turns their fields to barren sand,
And dries the rivers from the land.

His word can raise the springs again,
And make the withered mountains green;
Send showery blessings from the skies,
And harvests in the desert rise.

[Where nothing dwelt but beasts of prey,
Or men as fierce and wild as they,
He bids th' oppressed and poor repair,
And builds them towns and cities there.

They sow the fields, and trees they plant,
Whose yearly fruit supplies their want;
Their race grows up from fruitful stocks,
Their wealth increases with their flocks.

Thus they are blessed; but if they sin,
He lets the heathen nations in;
A savage crew invades their lands,
Their princes die by barb'rous hands.

Their captive sons, exposed to scorn,
Wander unpitied and forlorn;
The country lies unfenced, untilled,
And desolation spreads the field.

Yet if the humbled nation mourns,
Again his dreadful hand he turns;
Again he makes their cities thrive,
And bids the dying churches live.]

The righteous, with a joyful sense,
Admire the works of Providence;
And tongues of atheists shall no more
Blaspheme the God that saints adore.

How few with pious care record
These wondrous dealings of the Lord!
But wise observers still shall find
The Lord is holy, just, and kind.
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Old 02-16-2017, 03:04 AM
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2. Biblically, the stranger is required to follow the same laws as the citizen, not be immune or "not subject to arrest" nor "eligible for special treatment".
I've never advocated special treatment and do not advocate it. That's a misrepresentation by our dear brother Originalist based on some notion of my "ethnicity" getting in the way of my judgment (and he has no idea what that "ethnicity" even is). BTW, that's a pretty personal attack (don't we have a rule against that), when I'm trying to discuss an issue. Anyway, I am fine, thanks for asking

Everyone should be punished equally when they break the law, even to the point of deportation, if that's the stand the government takes. I just don't see it as the Church's role to advocate against certain groups of people when we're called to care for them and evangelize among them, not be agents of the government against them.
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Old 02-16-2017, 04:55 AM
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I've never advocated special treatment and do not advocate it. That's a misrepresentation by our dear brother Originalist based on some notion of my "ethnicity" getting in the way of my judgment (and he has no idea what that "ethnicity" even is). BTW, that's a pretty personal attack (don't we have a rule against that), when I'm trying to discuss an issue. Anyway, I am fine, thanks for asking

Everyone should be punished equally when they break the law, even to the point of deportation, if that's the stand the government takes. I just don't see it as the Church's role to advocate against certain groups of people when we're called to care for them and evangelize among them, not be agents of the government against them.

Who advocating against a certain group?
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Old 02-16-2017, 04:58 AM
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Yes, I definitely think Hispanic illegals should be able to steal identities with no consequences. Give me a break. Open up your mind a little and see the broader picture beyond your personal experience. Obviously no one should get a break on a crime and I didn't suggest that.

Besides, you're contradicting yourself - you said the identity thief was African and then you attacked me for letting my "ethnicity" get in my way. Am I African? Hispanic? Chinese? Congolese pygmy? Which ethnicity is it??

However, OUR interests should be Biblical first, which includes caring for the foreigner, not spreading anecdotal stories to stir up animosity (do you like that word better?) against them. Sure, be as American as you want, but that's not, or shouldn't be, our first allegiance.

You seem to have missed this part of my OP...

In 2000 I gave some Mexican neighbors a ride to the home of their AoG deacon. I witnessed as small thumbnail photos and money were passed to the deacon for the manufacture of fake ID's for the 4 people I had given a ride to.
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Old 02-16-2017, 07:50 AM
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Re: No quarter for illegals!

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However, OUR interests should be Biblical first, which includes caring for the foreigner, not spreading anecdotal stories to stir up animosity (do you like that word better?) against them. Sure, be as American as you want, but that's not, or shouldn't be, our first allegiance.
I've been following this whole exchange between you two, and you definitely started out by poking at others with your first post.

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American first, Christian second. Got it.

Turn the other cheek?

Look out for the widows and orphans?

No, spread hate, definitely gonna get them closer to God.
I read nothing hateful in the posts prior to yours. You may not have liked what was posted but that doesn't make it untrue, and those stories are just the tip of the iceberg.

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I've never advocated special treatment and do not advocate it. That's a misrepresentation by our dear brother Originalist based on some notion of my "ethnicity" getting in the way of my judgment (and he has no idea what that "ethnicity" even is). BTW, that's a pretty personal attack (don't we have a rule against that), when I'm trying to discuss an issue. Anyway, I am fine, thanks for asking
You don't get to play the victim status, when you start off by throwing around baseless accusations like above.
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Old 02-16-2017, 08:18 AM
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I've been following this whole exchange between you two, and you definitely started out by poking at others with your first post.



I read nothing hateful in the posts prior to yours. You may not have liked what was posted but that doesn't make it untrue, and those stories are just the tip of the iceberg.



You don't get to play the victim status, when you start off by throwing around baseless accusations like above.
Thank you. I bear the poster no malice. I just wish Christians were a little more discerning sometimes. God has not called us to advocate lawlessness in the name of compassion.

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Old 02-16-2017, 08:55 AM
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I think we just prevent more from coming in, deport the ones who commit crimes, and if someone wants govt benefits they should be citizens, not illegals.
Our immigration process is an absolute mess.

I think that if they've already been here for 5 years or more and they don't have a criminal record, they should be fined $500 and granted citizenship. I don't think that we should have a federal task force going door to door looking for illegals. I think that illegals should face deportation if caught committing a crime or if they are discovered. If caught a second time while illegally residing in the United States they should be deported again and barred from ever attaining citizenship.

We should strengthen boarder protection, I'm not sold out on the wall idea.
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