The Bird Is The Word

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

You caught that?

Daniel 2: 20-22

And he changeth the times and the seasons; He removeth
kings, and setteth up kings; he giveth wisdom unto the wise,
and knowledge to them that know understanding. He revealeth the deep and secret things; he knoweth what is in the darkness, and the light dwelleth with him.

Daniel 2: 37

Thou, O king, art a king of kings, for the God of heaven
hath given thee a kingdom, power, and strength, glory.

Wow, this is how God does it?

No mention in scripture of any bird, chicken, or parakeet flying and landing by His supposed choice?

ha ha...ha

It doesn't say that God overrides the will of a rebellious people to do so. In fact, God often gives a people the wicked leaders that their evil hearts desire.

I Samuel 8:1-22
Israel Demands a King1 When Samuel became old, he made his sons judges over Israel. 2 The name of his firstborn son was Joel, and the name of his second, Abijah; they were judges in Beersheba. 3 Yet his sons did not walk in his ways but turned aside after gain. They took bribes and perverted justice.
4 Then all the elders of Israel gathered together and came to Samuel at Ramah 5 and said to him, “Behold, you are old and your sons do not walk in your ways. Now appoint for us a king to judge us like all the nations.” 6 But the thing displeased Samuel when they said, “Give us a king to judge us.” And Samuel prayed to the Lord. 7 And the Lord said to Samuel, “Obey the voice of the people in all that they say to you, for they have not rejected you, but they have rejected me from being king over them. 8 According to all the deeds that they have done, from the day I brought them up out of Egypt even to this day, forsaking me and serving other gods, so they are also doing to you. 9 Now then, obey their voice; only you shall solemnly warn them and show them the ways of the king who shall reign over them.”
Samuel's Warning Against Kings
10 So Samuel told all the words of the Lord to the people who were asking for a king from him. 11 He said, “These will be the ways of the king who will reign over you: he will take your sons and appoint them to his chariots and to be his horsemen and to run before his chariots. 12 And he will appoint for himself commanders of thousands and commanders of fifties, and some to plow his ground and to reap his harvest, and to make his implements of war and the equipment of his chariots. 13 He will take your daughters to be perfumers and cooks and bakers. 14 He will take the best of your fields and vineyards and olive orchards and give them to his servants. 15 He will take the tenth of your grain and of your vineyards and give it to his officers and to his servants. 16 He will take your male servants and female servants and the best of your young men[a] and your donkeys, and put them to his work. 17 He will take the tenth of your flocks, and you shall be his slaves. 18 And in that day you will cry out because of your king, whom you have chosen for yourselves, but the Lord will not answer you in that day.”
The Lord Grants Israel's Request
19 But the people refused to obey the voice of Samuel. And they said, “No! But there shall be a king over us, 20 that we also may be like all the nations, and that our king may judge us and go out before us and fight our battles.” 21 And when Samuel had heard all the words of the people, he repeated them in the ears of the Lord. 22 And the Lord said to Samuel, “Obey their voice and make them a king.” Samuel then said to the men of Israel, “Go every man to his city.”

[n david]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I believe God gave us a sign. But did America listen? Nope. And so we were confronted with the two possible worst candidates in history. And, in my opinion, we even got the worst one of the two. lol

Believe what you will, but some dumb little bird landing on the podium is not a sign of God's approval on Bernie.

That's as absurd as people claiming to see Jesus or Mary in a rock or piece of toast.

Had God Almighty chosen Bernie, he would at least have won the Democratic primary. If you want to compare Bernie to Jesus, then Bernie would have won the election. He did not. God isn't a loser, nor do the one's He anoints not become what He anointed them to become. Again, had God truly anointed Bernie, he would have won.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

It doesn't say that God overrides the will of a rebellious people to do so. In fact, God often gives a people the wicked leaders that their evil hearts desire.

I Samuel 8:1-22
Israel Demands a King1 When Samuel became old, he made his sons judges over Israel. 2 The name of his firstborn son was Joel, and the name of his second, Abijah; they were judges in Beersheba. 3 Yet his sons did not walk in his ways but turned aside after gain. They took bribes and perverted justice.
4 Then all the elders of Israel gathered together and came to Samuel at Ramah 5 and said to him, “Behold, you are old and your sons do not walk in your ways. Now appoint for us a king to judge us like all the nations.” 6 But the thing displeased Samuel when they said, “Give us a king to judge us.” And Samuel prayed to the Lord. 7 And the Lord said to Samuel, “Obey the voice of the people in all that they say to you, for they have not rejected you, but they have rejected me from being king over them. 8 According to all the deeds that they have done, from the day I brought them up out of Egypt even to this day, forsaking me and serving other gods, so they are also doing to you. 9 Now then, obey their voice; only you shall solemnly warn them and show them the ways of the king who shall reign over them.”
Samuel's Warning Against Kings
10 So Samuel told all the words of the Lord to the people who were asking for a king from him. 11 He said, “These will be the ways of the king who will reign over you: he will take your sons and appoint them to his chariots and to be his horsemen and to run before his chariots. 12 And he will appoint for himself commanders of thousands and commanders of fifties, and some to plow his ground and to reap his harvest, and to make his implements of war and the equipment of his chariots. 13 He will take your daughters to be perfumers and cooks and bakers. 14 He will take the best of your fields and vineyards and olive orchards and give them to his servants. 15 He will take the tenth of your grain and of your vineyards and give it to his officers and to his servants. 16 He will take your male servants and female servants and the best of your young men[a] and your donkeys, and put them to his work. 17 He will take the tenth of your flocks, and you shall be his slaves. 18 And in that day you will cry out because of your king, whom you have chosen for yourselves, but the Lord will not answer you in that day.”
The Lord Grants Israel's Request
19 But the people refused to obey the voice of Samuel. And they said, “No! But there shall be a king over us, 20 that we also may be like all the nations, and that our king may judge us and go out before us and fight our battles.” 21 And when Samuel had heard all the words of the people, he repeated them in the ears of the Lord. 22 And the Lord said to Samuel, “Obey their voice and make them a king.” Samuel then said to the men of Israel, “Go every man to his city.”

You obviously missed the point which the scripture plays out. There is no contradiction in the scripture. God places leadership whether good or bad. Hence the reason why Daniel respected the leadership of Nebuchadnezzar with the words "O king, live for ever." Daniel 3:9. They understood who was behind "the" authority, God Romans 13:1 . A Biblical principle, which the Bible points out from OT to NT. As for your quoting I Samuel 8:1-22, there isn't any contradiction. We get leadership we deserve and God will sent over us even the worst of men Daniel 4:17. God tells Samuel that it wasn't because of Samuel, but that the children of Israel didn't want God as their king 1 Samuel 8:7. You see, God must give us the leadership we DESERVE.
They wanted a king same as the kings among the pagans. Pilate proclaimed to the Judeans "Behold your King!" Pilate added, "Should I crucify your king?" John 19:14-15 the Chief Priests then replied We have no king but Caesar! Again, and for the final time they rejected God as their king and accepted a king like all the other pagans. They got the king they deserved.

Sorry, no blue bird of paradise landing on anyone's head in the Bible.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I believe God gave us a sign.

Yes, indeed, YOU believe. You see, that's the key. You can believe in whatever pops into your head. That's all on you.

Originally Posted by Aquila

But did America listen?

Why would they? Where have we been taught that birds indicate some sort of omen of good? My Italian ancestors believed that if a bird flew into your home it was a bad omen. But, all these traditions have to be handed down by the culture. We Americans aren't taught the meaning of birds being good omens or bad. Now, let's deal with Christianity, and God. Where in the Bible are we taught that leadership are approved by a bird? Nothing comes to mind, but you want America to pay heed? Guess what? They don't need to, because there isn't anything we can find where they needed to pay attention.

Originally Posted by Aquila

Nope. And so we were confronted with the two possible worst candidates in history. And, in my opinion, we even got the worst one of the two. lol

Then thank God for what you have received and pray that he leaves you alone so you and your family may live in peace.

[Jito463]

Originally Posted by Aquila

What is it with Jewish dudes and birds descending from the heavens to confirm their ordination? LOL

Sorry, what was Bernie ordinated for? Oh, that's right, for losing the nomination. Had God ordained Bernie for anything, it would have happened.

Add to that, even though Bernie may not be as corrupt as Hillary, he's an avowed socialist; whose policies - if implemented - would have further bankrupted this country, when we're already precariously on the edge of collapse as it is (nearly $20 trillion in debt, and counting - $10 trillion of that from Obama alone!).

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by n david

Believe what you will, but some dumb little bird landing on the podium is not a sign of God's approval on Bernie.

That's as absurd as people claiming to see Jesus or Mary in a rock or piece of toast.

Had God Almighty chosen Bernie, he would at least have won the Democratic primary. If you want to compare Bernie to Jesus, then Bernie would have won the election. He did not. God isn't a loser, nor do the one's He anoints not become what He anointed them to become. Again, had God truly anointed Bernie, he would have won.

C'mon, not even Jesus Himself would have won this election.

[Jito463]

Originally Posted by Aquila

C'mon, not even Jesus Himself would have won this election.

Jesus would never have run.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Jito463

Jesus would never have run.

Maybe that's because he knows he wouldn't win. It would make real bad PR: "Messiah Defeated In Historic Landside".

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Aquila

It doesn't say that God overrides the will of a rebellious people to do so. In fact, God often gives a people the wicked leaders that their evil hearts desire.

I Samuel 8:1-22
Israel Demands a King1 When Samuel became old, he made his sons judges over Israel. 2 The name of his firstborn son was Joel, and the name of his second, Abijah; they were judges in Beersheba. 3 Yet his sons did not walk in his ways but turned aside after gain. They took bribes and perverted justice.
4 Then all the elders of Israel gathered together and came to Samuel at Ramah 5 and said to him, “Behold, you are old and your sons do not walk in your ways. Now appoint for us a king to judge us like all the nations.” 6 But the thing displeased Samuel when they said, “Give us a king to judge us.” And Samuel prayed to the Lord. 7 And the Lord said to Samuel, “Obey the voice of the people in all that they say to you, for they have not rejected you, but they have rejected me from being king over them. 8 According to all the deeds that they have done, from the day I brought them up out of Egypt even to this day, forsaking me and serving other gods, so they are also doing to you. 9 Now then, obey their voice; only you shall solemnly warn them and show them the ways of the king who shall reign over them.”
Samuel's Warning Against Kings
10 So Samuel told all the words of the Lord to the people who were asking for a king from him. 11 He said, “These will be the ways of the king who will reign over you: he will take your sons and appoint them to his chariots and to be his horsemen and to run before his chariots. 12 And he will appoint for himself commanders of thousands and commanders of fifties, and some to plow his ground and to reap his harvest, and to make his implements of war and the equipment of his chariots. 13 He will take your daughters to be perfumers and cooks and bakers. 14 He will take the best of your fields and vineyards and olive orchards and give them to his servants. 15 He will take the tenth of your grain and of your vineyards and give it to his officers and to his servants. 16 He will take your male servants and female servants and the best of your young men[a] and your donkeys, and put them to his work. 17 He will take the tenth of your flocks, and you shall be his slaves. 18 And in that day you will cry out because of your king, whom you have chosen for yourselves, but the Lord will not answer you in that day.”
The Lord Grants Israel's Request
19 But the people refused to obey the voice of Samuel. And they said, “No! But there shall be a king over us, 20 that we also may be like all the nations, and that our king may judge us and go out before us and fight our battles.” 21 And when Samuel had heard all the words of the people, he repeated them in the ears of the Lord. 22 And the Lord said to Samuel, “Obey their voice and make them a king.” Samuel then said to the men of Israel, “Go every man to his city.”

Bingo. Bernie was too good for us.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by n david

Believe what you will, but some dumb little bird landing on the podium is not a sign of God's approval on Bernie.

That's as absurd as people claiming to see Jesus or Mary in a rock or piece of toast.

Had God Almighty chosen Bernie, he would at least have won the Democratic primary. If you want to compare Bernie to Jesus, then Bernie would have won the election. He did not. God isn't a loser, nor do the one's He anoints not become what He anointed them to become. Again, had God truly anointed Bernie, he would have won.

I also think you're taking me WAY to seriously.