Clinton Is the Best Choice For the Unborn:

[Aquila]

Trump is a lying, churlish, pedophile... a vote for Trump is a sin.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Aquila

No little girl says, "Mommy, I wanna have an abortion when I grow up." Women chose abortion when they feel desperate and when society isn't addressing the issues they face.

Again, wrong. Most women choose abortion because having a child would require them to change their lifestyle. Most are either in college or in a career they don't want to alter.

GOP has alternatives, there are conservative organizations besides PP which provide care to women and support for unplanned pregnancies. Unfortunately Democrats are completely unwilling to cut ties to an organization which was specifically created to kill the unborn - namely unborn black kids.

And still, it's rare if you find PP in upscale neighborhoods. Mostly they're in the minority neighborhoods.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by n david

Again, wrong. Most women choose abortion because having a child would require them to change their lifestyle. Most are either in college or in a career they don't want to alter.

Myth. Shows that you've not done your homework. I've ministered to many women who have had abortions. Nearly 2 out of every 3 women who procure an abortion are uninsured and live below poverty level. Imagine a woman who becomes pregnant with an unplanned pregnancy. Let's say that she doesn't have insurance. Under the Republican plan being pregnant is a pre-existing condition, so she'll not qualify for any affordable coverage. The costs of prenatal care and delivery can range well up to $30,000. Or.... she could borrow $200 bucks from the idiot who knocked her up and get an abortion. What do you think she's going to do?

GOP has alternatives, there are conservative organizations besides PP which provide care to women and support for unplanned pregnancies. Unfortunately Democrats are completely unwilling to cut ties to an organization which was specifically created to kill the unborn - namely unborn black kids.

You know, if we had universal health insurance, the President could cut funding to nearly all abortion providers over night. Just a thought.

Sadly, Planned Parenthood is the one of the largest providers of women's healthcare services, specializing in helping women who are economically depressed. Most Prolife organizations provide very little when compared and primarily only serve as a way station pointing to adoption services.

And still, it's rare if you find PP in upscale neighborhoods. Mostly they're in the minority neighborhoods.

Evidently you don't know much about Planned Parenthood, or you'd know why that is.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Trump is a lying, churlish, pedophile... a vote for Trump is a sin.

As much as I despise Trump, this is libel. Trump has not been charged by any law enforcement agency, much less found guilty by a judge or jury. This is an alleged claim made by one girl. If true, I hope Trump rots in prison. But the law says he's innocent until proven guilty.

And of all people to bash Trump for something of which he hasn't been found guilty -- you have defended Hillary Clinton, of whom FBI Director Comey claimed the FBI "found evidence of violations of the law," but refused to refer to the obama Dept of JustUs.

[Aquila]

The GOP is nothing but banners and empty booths of non-service. Empty promises. It's all just a smoke screen for a party dedicated helping corporate America fleece the American people.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by n david

As much as I despise Trump, this is libel. Trump has not been charged by any law enforcement agency, much less found guilty by a judge or jury. This is an alleged claim made by one girl. If true, I hope Trump rots in prison. But the law says he's innocent until proven guilty.

And of all people to bash Trump for something of which he hasn't been found guilty -- you have defended Hillary Clinton, of whom FBI Director Comey claimed the FBI "found evidence of violations of the law," but refused to refer to the obama Dept of JustUs.

Trump is a suspect and will have his hearing in December. I can't see anyone being willing to vote for a man until they see how the trial goes.

Hillary didn't do anything previous Administrations and Secretaries of State hadn't done. And while there were violations of the law, it was judged that she wasn't guilty of any "criminal wrong doing". She's already cleared. Trump is about to face the charges.

For example, we deal with SSI (Sensitive Security Information) where I work. A tech took a thumb drive containing SSI home and his car was stolen. But guess what? He had left the thumb drive in the car! Regulations state that thumb drives containing SSI aren't to be taken off the premises. But agents had been taking these drives home with them for years. After the internal investigation it was deemed that while he violated Federal Security Directives, his actions were in keeping with past practice (which was to be corrected immediately), and that he had no criminal intent, no criminal wrong doing. If they found he was guilty of having criminal intent, he could have served 10 years in prison and/or received a $10,000 fine. But there was no evidence of criminal wrong doing. So, it went into his file as a counseling.

Similar issue with Hillary. She violated security directives. But it has been past practice for several administrations now. In addition, she didn't set up a private email server with the intent to provide information to any enemy. So, no criminal intent or wrong doing.

If guilty, I'm sure Trump can't argue that his rape of a 13 year old girl was without criminal intent. I think a lot of Trump supporters will be absolutely floored if the case against Trump goes to trial and he's found guilty. They'll reality that they paraded around like buffoons supporting a child rapist.

Being stupid with government email isn't anywhere near being suspected of child rape. And even if Trump is cleared of child rape charges, it is an established fact that Trump attended those parties with Jeffrey Epstein. Those parties are notorious parties filled with orgiastic drunkenness, drugs, and debauchery. And Epstein is a convicted sex offender because of the under age girls he notoriously had attending his sex parties.

So, even if innocent.... Trump is obviously an orgiastic sex fiend.

Hillary was stupid with her email system.

"I've known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy. He's a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it -- Jeffrey enjoys his social life." ~ Donald Trump

[Fionn mac Cumh]

The GOP and their voters only care about a baby while its in the womb. When it comes out and the parents need help they are no where to be found.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Fionn mac Cumh

The GOP and their voters only care about a baby while its in the womb. When it comes out and the parents need help they are no where to be found.

They not prolife. They are merely "anti-abortion". Once born, they could care less if the kid and his parents need health insurance, assistance, etc. They want breeders to fill the poor inner cities with desperate kids... kids so desperate they'll join the military complex and be shipped overseas to fight in their unjustified wars to advance their global neoconservative corporate agenda. Soldier boy, made of clay. Now an empty shell. Twenty-one, the only son, but he served us well. Bred to kill and not to care. Did just as we say. Now he's here, greetings, Death. He's yours to take away.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Democratic policies are based on the ethic of "Justice". Here's an entry on Justice from the Holman Bible Dictionary:

HOLMAN BIBLE DICTIONARY
"JUSTICE"

The order God seeks to reestablish in His creation where all people receive the benefits of life with Him. As love is for the New Testament, so justice is the central ethical idea of the Old Testament. The frequency of justice is sometimes missed by the reader due to a failure to realize that the wide range of the Hebrew word mishpat , particularly in passages that deal with the material and social necessities of life.

Nature of justice Justice has two major aspects. First, it is the standard by which penalties are assigned for breaking the obligations of the society. Second, justice is the standard by which the advantages of social life are handed out, including material goods, rights of participation, opportunities, and liberties. It is the standard for both punishment and benefits and thus can be spoken of as a plumb line. “I shall use justice as a plumb-line, and righteousness as a plummet” (Isaiah 28:17 , REB).

Often people think of justice in the Bible only in the first sense as God's wrath on evil. This aspect of justice indeed is present, such as the judgment mentioned in John 3:19 . Often more vivid words like “wrath” are used to describe punitive justice (Romans 1:18 ).

Justice in the Bible very frequently also deals with benefits. Cultures differ widely in determining the basis by which the benefits are to be justly distributed. For some it is by birth and nobility. For others the basis is might or ability or merit. Or it might simply be whatever is the law or whatever has been established by contracts. The Bible takes another possibility. Benefits are distributed according to need. Justice then is very close to love and grace. God “executes justice for the orphan and the widow, and loves the strangers, providing them food and clothing” (Deuteronomy 10:18 , NRSV; compare Hosea 10:12; Isaiah 30:18 ).

Various needy groups are the recipients of justice. These groups include widows, orphans, resident aliens (also called “sojourners” or “strangers”), wage earners, the poor, and prisoners, slaves, and the sick (Job 29:12-17; Psalm 146:7-9; Malachi 3:5 ). Each of these groups has specific needs which keep its members from being able to participate in aspects of the life of their community. Even life itself might be threatened. Justice involves meeting those needs. The forces which deprive people of what is basic for community life are condemned as oppression (Micah 2:2; Ecclesiastes 4:1 ). To oppress is to use power for one's own advantage in depriving others of their basic rights in the community (see Mark 12:40 ). To do justice is to correct that abuse and to meet those needs (Isaiah 1:17 ). Injustice is depriving others of their basic needs or failing to correct matters when those rights are not met (Jeremiah 5:28; Job 29:12-17 ). Injustice is either a sin of commission or of omission.

The content of justice, the benefits which are to be distributed as basic rights in the community, can be identified by observing what is at stake in the passages in which “justice,” “righteousness,” and “judgment” occur. The needs which are met include land (Ezekiel 45:6-9; compare Micah 2:2; Micah 4:4 ) and the means to produce from the land, such as draft animals and millstones (Deuteronomy 22:1-4; Deuteronomy 24:6 ). These productive concerns are basic to securing other essential needs and thus avoiding dependency; thus the millstone is called the “life” of the person (Deuteronomy 24:6 ). Other needs are those essential for mere physical existence and well being: food (Deuteronomy 10:18; Psalm 146:7 ), clothing (Deuteronomy 24:13 ), and shelter (Psalm 68:6; Job 8:6 ). Job 22:5-9 ,Job 22:5-9,22:23; Job 24:1-12 decries the injustice of depriving people of each one of these needs, which are material and economic. The equal protection of each person in civil and judicial procedures is represented in the demand for due process ( Deuteronomy 16:18-20 ). Freedom from bondage is comparable to not being “in hunger and thirst, in nakedness and lack of everything” (Deuteronomy 28:48 NRSV).

Justice presupposes God's intention for people to be in community. When people had become poor and weak with respect to the rest of the community, they were to be strengthened so that they could continue to be effective members of the community—living with them and beside them (Leviticus 25:35-36 ). Thus biblical justice restores people to community. By justice those who lacked the power and resources to participate in significant aspects of the community were to be strengthened so that they could. This concern in Leviticus 25:1 is illustrated by the provision of the year of Jubilee, in which at the end of the fifty year period land is restored to those who had lost it through sale or foreclosure of debts ( Leviticus 25:28 ). Thus they regained economic power and were brought back into the economic community. Similarly, interest on loans was prohibited (Leviticus 25:36 ) as a process which pulled people down, endangering their position in the community.

These legal provisions express a further characteristic of justice. Justice delivers; it does not merely relieve the immediate needs of those in dire straits (Psalm 76:9; Isaiah 45:8; Isaiah 58:11; Isaiah 62:1-2 ). Helping the needy means setting them back on their feet, giving a home, leading to prosperity, restoration, ending the oppression (Psalm 68:5-10; Psalm 10:15-16; compare 107; Psalm 113:7-9 ). Such thorough justice can be socially disruptive. In the Jubilee year as some receive back lands, others lose recently-acquired additional land. The advantage to some is a disadvantage to others. In some cases the two aspects of justice come together. In the act of restoration, those who were victims of justice receive benefits while their exploiters are punished (1 Samuel 2:7-10; compare Luke 1:51-53; Luke 6:20-26 ).

The source of justice As the sovereign Creator of the universe, God is just (Psalm 99:1-4; Genesis 18:25; Deuteronomy 32:4; Jeremiah 9:24 ), particularly as the defender of all the oppressed of the earth (Psalm 76:9; Psalm 103:6; Jeremiah 49:11 ). Justice thus is universal (Psalm 9:7-9 ) and applies to each covenant or dispensation. Jesus affirmed for His day the centrality of the Old Testament demand for justice (Matthew 23:23 ). Justice is the work of the New Testament people of God (James 1:27 ).

God's justice is not a distant external standard. It is the source of all human justice (Proverbs 29:26; 2Chronicles 19:6,2 Chronicles 19:9 ). Justice is grace received and grace shared (2 Corinthians 9:8-10 ).

The most prominent human agent of justice is the ruler. The king receives God's justice and is a channel for it (Psalm 72:1; compare Romans 13:1-2 ,Romans 13:1-2,13:4 ). There is not a distinction between a personal, voluntary justice and a legal, public justice. The same caring for the needy groups of the society is demanded of the ruler (Psalm 72:4; Ezekiel 34:4; Jeremiah 22:15-16 ). Such justice was also required of pagan rulers (Daniel 4:27; Proverbs 31:8-9 ).

Justice is also a central demand on all people who bear the name of God. Its claim is so basic that without it other central demands and provisions of God are not acceptable to God. Justice is required to be present with the sacrificial system (Amos 5:21-24; Micah 6:6-8; Isaiah 1:11-17; Matthew 5:23-24 ), fasting (Isaiah 58:1-10 ), tithing (Matthew 23:23 ), obedience to the other commandments (Matthew 19:16-21 ), or the presence of the Temple of God (Jeremiah 7:1-7 ).

Justice in salvation Apart from describing God's condemnation of sin, Paul used the language and meaning of justice to speak of personal salvation. “The righteousness of God” represents God in grace bringing into the community of God through faith in Christ those who had been outside of the people of God (particularly in Romans but compare also Ephesians 2:12-13 ). See Law; Government; Poverty; Righteousness; Welfare.

Stephen Charles Mott

"Justice" can only be brought about by socialism....so says the left-wing dogma.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Aquila

The GOP is nothing but banners and empty booths of non-service. Empty promises. It's all just a smoke screen for a party dedicated helping corporate America fleece the American people.

Sorry, but the Democrats are in bed with corporate America. You are just unwilling to see it. Get back to the Constitution.