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Old 04-29-2016, 07:42 PM
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Re: The UPCI Ordains Women Pastors?

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It is a well known fact that there is an abnormal condition coming forth in what is known as the Woman Suffrage Movement, i.e., women coming into authority. While this spirit is abroad in the world the pressure is coming against the saints and becomes a snare for women to unwisely get out of their place in the ministry as well as in the home. The Bible should be our rule for all things, so let us consider carefully what God says, and be obedient to it.

In Psa. 68:18, we read in the American Revised Version, “The Lord giveth the Word, the women that publish the tidings are a great host.” This chapter is a prophetic chapter of Pentecost and of the new covenant days. Joel 2:2, also Acts 2:16-17, shows also that women are in a special way conspicuous with the outpouring of the Spirit in publishing the tidings and prophesying.

Philip the evangelist had four daughters who were preachers, who no doubt went out with him and helped him pray the power down and tell out the resurrection message, the good tidings, etc.

Some think Paul was against a woman ministry. They can pray and prophesy (1 Cor. 11:5); I also believe they can teach. We find Precilla and Acquilla together instructing the Apollos (Acts 18:24-28). I also believe that what Paul is doing in 1 Tim. 2:12, when he says, “I suffer not a woman to teach,” that it is in connection with usurping authority over the man. There are many lines of teaching that she can work on, only don’t try to advise and rule the man of God. How common it is now-a-days to see the women in the ministry trying to rule the man; right here is where she gets out of place, and the trouble comes on these lines. Inasmuch as she keeps her place I believe man will keep his. The same Bible which gives this beautiful field of usefulness to our sisters also tells her where her liberties end. When it comes to authority and rule in the assembly this office belongs to the man.

Now as to eldership: The terms bishop, over-seer and elder mean the same. If any man desire the office of bishop, etc, he must be the husband of one wife. 1 Tim. 3:8-13, when they chose the original seven for the church at Jerusalem the command was to look ye out seven men of honest report full of the Holy Ghost and wisdom, whom we may appoint over this business (Acts 6:3).

I believe if the brethren will open the way for a liberal ministry to the sisters, and they turn the ruling part over to the brethren, we will get together and be a wonderful help to each other. But when we try to hold one down and the other get in the other’s place, we violate God’s plan, and disorder results. We notice, too, that travail in a special way belongs to the sisters. The dear sisters were especially in the lead on bringing forth, through travail, as they went down under the burden God did come forth in mighty power so as the Spirit could have his way at the latter part of the camp meeting.

The Bible is just as clear as to the relation between man and wife: “But I would have you to know that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of every woman is the man, and the head of Christ is God.” (1 Cor. 11:13). We hear it so commonly quoted, “In Christ there is neither male nor female.” ( Gal. 3:28). To save space we get this instruction from are written to those “in Christ”- “males and females in Christ.” Let us read Eph. 5:2-24, “Wives submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For he is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church, and he is the Savior of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ so let the wives be to their husbands in everything.” See Col. 3:18; 1 Pet. 3:1. Notice the other side: The man whom they are to yield to in everything is a man of God, who would not require anything unrighteous, etc. Notice the following in Eph. 5:25-29 “Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, etc...so ought men to love their wives, as their own bodies, etc.”

The command is just as strong for the man to really love the wife as it is for her( her it is missing about 10 words)..and quiet spirit makes them beautiful and attractive. In this same chapter read verse 7, “Husbands dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honor unto the wife as unto a weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of live; that your prayers be not hindered.” This will bring temperance into your lives, which will free the weaker vessel from many an unnecessary sickness, and produce offspring that you will not be ashamed of.

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Old 04-29-2016, 09:06 PM
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Re: The UPCI Ordains Women Pastors?

Women should stay in the kitchen and laundry room where they belong...
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Old 04-29-2016, 09:17 PM
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For cultural reasons, I find this entire issue quite interesting.

My research is limited to California and to the Pacific Northwest, and this limits my perspective.

If there was resistance to women in ministry, I have not come across it yet.

From prior to Azusa to WW2, women in ministry on the west coast were quite common. If there was public resistance to women in ministry, I have not come across it.

This begs the question, is resistance to women in ministry regional ? Or was widespread female ministers in California the exception to the rule ?

Did the PCI ordain women ? The PAW ? I would have to review my data, but I think I can demonstrate that the UPC ordained women form 1945 on.

My focus is cultural, or sociological, not theological.
The only groups I know who were opposed to women preaching was those associated with Bishop Lawson & Bishop Johnson.
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The WPF as a whole believe in women in ministry so I would say they believe in women pastor's but have never asked. Well, I do believe in women in ministry but I personally have never been or felt to be ordained....I am just a worker in His fields....(right now a sick one as I had a backset from chikungunya) I always tell our ladies...leave the platform for the men...if you are called find you some little village and plant the seed...dear ones, Godly ladies are not worried about names and titles and platforms...they weep over lost soul souls that perish without ever hearing of a Savior.
Here I go...I am and will always be a missionary...whatever that may mean to you...to me it has meant a lifetime of hard toil and most time under great pressure. Pressure I think that is what mainly has caused this setback...so says the doctor....worrying about how to raise funds to replace the roof of our church plus all the other damage the storm did has been heavy on me. The building is 12, 728 square feet. Would you forget about this subject for a few minutes and join us in prayer for this need to be met? Thank you so much.
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Old 05-01-2016, 08:04 AM
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I wonder how many churches we would have now if women had not labored in the field and begun churches.

Jesus said pray for laborers not pray for men laborers.
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Yes, women are ordained in the UPC, and it was far more common in the earlier years of the UPC than now.
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Nilah Mean, formerly Nilah Rutledge who traveled with ex-nun Sister Charlotte in the 60's, pastored for many years in Nova Scotia in the UPCI. Her husband JOHN MEAN Was district Supt and pastored another church across the harbour from each other. Dartmouth, NS and Halifax. She started to write a book, THE DYING BREED OF WOMEN PREACHERS. She pushed it big-time.
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I met Sis. Nilah once at a ladies conference. So sweet...such an honor...
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Nilah Mean, formerly Nilah Rutledge who traveled with ex-nun Sister Charlotte in the 60's, pastored for many years in Nova Scotia in the UPCI. Her husband JOHN MEAN Was district Supt and pastored another church across the harbour from each other. Dartmouth, NS and Halifax. She started to write a book, THE DYING BREED OF WOMEN PREACHERS. She pushed it big-time.
Bro, where's that book?
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Bro, where's that book?
She never finished it.
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