They have no shame - Page 3

Jermyn Davidson · #21 09-19-2015, 10:05 PM

I look at tithing as a construct that enables the Christian to experience God's blessings.

In the same way a church building is a construct that enables the Christian to experience God's blessings.

These are means by which we can experience what God has for us, means by which He blesses us as individuals and corporately.

God has a way that is so sweet.

Evang.Benincasa · #22 09-19-2015, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by J.A. Perez

I understand that these arent tithing scriptures. But i do believe in this principle.

We are aware that everything the lord taught fulfilled the spiritual principal unless otherwise stated.

In this example he left no room but to understand, just like it is right to pay taxes it is also right to give to God what is His, as Jesus was holding a coin.

It would have been enough for him to just say who's picture is on the coin and to give to cesar what is cesars, but he didnt stop there.

I believe that he was showing us that it is right to pay taxes and it is also right to give back to God the portion that isnt ours.

And they did, and we do also understand, that all the way back to the sacrifices outside of the garden, God has always required our first fruits.

Evang.Benincasa · #23 09-19-2015, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by FlamingZword

Thank you brother.

I have seen some of your sermons and I can tell that you spent your time digging into the word of God.

Those that preach the gospel have a right to live of the gospel, you have every right to teach the tithe and offerings. Do not let anyone bully you, shame you or tell you otherwise.

I have preached only the tithe and offerings because that is all that is ordained in the scriptures, all the other gimmicks that some ministries use to get more of their sheep are not biblical.

Evang.Benincasa · #24 09-19-2015, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

I look at tithing as a construct that enables the Christian to experience God's blessings.

In the same way a church building is a construct that enables the Christian to experience God's blessings.

These are means by which we can experience what God has for us, means by which He blesses us as individuals and corporately.

God has a way that is so sweet.

Good job

Evang.Benincasa · #25 09-19-2015, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

Amen. I've seen God bless too many people who tithe and more, for me to ever believe it is wrong to tithe.

Amen, I have seen God bless givers, time and time again.

Jesus commends a widow who placed in a sacrificial mite, because it was all she had. Jesus didn't flip over tables and grab the widows mite and give it back to her. He knew she had given more than anyone because she sacrificed and all others just gave out of their excess.

J.A. Perez · #26 09-19-2015, 11:17 PM

I understand that this isn't a tithing scripture. But i do believe in this principle.

We are aware that everything the lord taught fulfilled the spiritual principal unless otherwise stated.

In this example he left no room but to understand, just like it is right to pay taxes it is also right to give to God what is His, as Jesus was holding a coin.

It would have been enough for him to just say who's picture is on the coin and to give to cesar what is cesars, but he didnt stop there.

I believe that he was showing us that it is right to pay taxes and it is also right to give back to God the portion that isnt ours.

And they did, and we do also understand, that all the way back to the sacrifices outside of the garden, God has always required our first fruits.

Mark 12:13-17

13 And they send unto him certain of the Pharisees and of the Herodians, to catch him in his words.

14 And when they were come, they say unto him, Master, we know that thou art true, and carest for no man: for thou regardest not the person of men, but teachest the way of God in truth: Is it lawful to give tribute to Caesar, or not?

15 Shall we give, or shall we not give? But he, knowing their hypocrisy, said unto them, Why tempt ye me? bring me a penny, that I may see it.

16 And they brought it. And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription? And they said unto him, Caesar's.

17 And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. And they marvelled at him.

houston · #27 09-20-2015, 02:38 AM

I do not believe in tithing. I do believe in giving. It's always a joy to give.

However...

I do not belong to a church. So... What would some of you suggest? Setting up an account where funds are set aside for offering and giving the money to my next church home?
Donating online to TBN?
Something else?

shazeep · #28 09-20-2015, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by houston

I do not believe in tithing. I do believe in giving. It's always a joy to give.

However...

I do not belong to a church. So... What would some of you suggest? Setting up an account where funds are set aside for offering and giving the money to my next church home?
Donating online to TBN?
Something else?

why not just ask God what to do with the money?

Sean · #29 09-20-2015, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by shag

Some very close friends of ours, husband and wife both work, one teenage kid, tight budget very little eating out etc, faithful tithers for decades, almost lost their house($55-60K), (got to keep their house by help from a non tither), he works in a town 70 miles away having to stay there every week while home on weekends, she takes him there after Sunday am church weekly. They have one vehicle, the tranny went out on the truck he gave $575 for, so one vehicle. She works in town daily. They are not idiots, spending haphazardly either. Consistantly paying tithes plus any offerings they might muster up...sheaves for Christ or whatever.

Anyway, God blesses givers, period. As far as tithing, There are tons of stories to fit either, no tithers blessed & tithers blessed. So to argue for either is nonsense IMO, God blesses giving from the heart. Giving as God convicts and purposes in our hearts, not out of necessity, but also in attempt of being a good steward of what is His to begin with. Not just a tenth.

Not looking to scrap w anyone, just making one post.

I have seen decades of wealthy sinners outlive and out prosper many saints.

I have seen more saints I know suffer poor health and poverty, without ever seeing the "devourer" rebuked.

They are told they are tithing wrong, that they should try this and try that.

My conclusion is tithing is of the Law and God will not honor it, no matter what you try to do.

God does however, honor Spirit led giving.

I guess the saints will just have to learn the hard way.

KeptByTheWord · #30 09-20-2015, 09:26 AM

1 Cor. 16: 1-2
1 Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye.

2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

This the only scripture in the NT that speaks of Paul giving an "order" as to how money, and giving should be handled.

Note he does not say "tithe".

What he does say is this: let every one of you lay by him in store as God hath prospered him.

In this way, no one is burdened by a 10% mandatory amount. For a widow and a pauper, 10% is more than they can give because of their poor state. For a wealthy businessman, 10% is a drop in the bucket, and doesn't even touch their pocketbook.

So while 10% may be a good basis or guide to use for giving, it should never be taught as a mandatory amount or a heaven or hell issue. It should be taught... give as the Lord has prospered you. If you give your mite as the widow, that is giving above and beyond... if you give thousands of dollars as a wealthier business person... God will bless that too.