Sitting under a pastor?

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Originally Posted by good samaritan

We've gone to meddling now. lol. gluttony is sin, but not being over weight. There are many people who are over weight that aren't gluttonous and there are some beanpoles who eat like starving hyena's. This varies from person to person and also probably a lot to do with the types of foods. We are so fast paced, not many people eat healthy.

My grandpa said today that he thinks cancer is from all the meats we consume nowadays. Most of his childhood, meats were a luxury for his family. Plenty of beans and taters, though. He turned 84 years old this Feb. and his blood pressure is probably better than most people half his age.

People in your grandfathers day also did a lot more physical labor. You could eat 5,000 calories a day when you were burning them all off!

[Esaias]

Cancer comes from a variety of causes (too many grains for one, car exhaust, chemicals in our food and water, chemicals prescribed by doctors that we really don't need, etc) but the ultimate root is sin. America is facing an epidemic of cancer, autism, diabetes, etc etc and it's all spelled out in Deut 28 as to why.

[Esaias]

And no, I do not mean a person who gets a disease has it because they sinned, necessarily. National sin produces national curses, and everybody suffers.

[ApostolicKitty]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

We've gone to meddling now. lol. gluttony is sin, but not being over weight. There are many people who are over weight that aren't gluttonous and there are some beanpoles who eat like starving hyena's. This varies from person to person and also probably a lot to do with the types of foods. We are so fast paced, not many people eat healthy.

My grandpa said today that he thinks cancer is from all the meats we consume nowadays. Most of his childhood, meats were a luxury for his family. Plenty of beans and taters, though. He turned 84 years old this Feb. and his blood pressure is probably better than most people half his age.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

The phrase is often used in a statement like "I would never sit under a pastor who _________", or some such thing.

People that use the phrase mean that sitting under a pastor means they submit to his wisdom and discretion and align themselves in support of the pastor's ministry.

But how it actually comes across is that a person sits on a pew and shuts his mouth when the pastor indoctrinates.

All to true.

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Originally Posted by votivesoul

The phrase is often used in a statement like "I would never sit under a pastor who _________", or some such thing.

People that use the phrase mean that sitting under a pastor means they submit to his wisdom and discretion and align themselves in support of the pastor's ministry.

But how it actually comes across is that a person sits on a pew and shuts his mouth when the pastor indoctrinates.

Voting for your soul has a good point. When I think of "submitting" in a church setting it is probably defined a lot differently than a lot of old time Pentecostals would.

By submission I mean to hearing the word of God as brought by a pastor, teachers, etc and not just seeking out the portions of the word of God I want to hear.

I also mean by submission to not be that person who must have things always done my way, taught from my exact point of view, etc.

My pastor is very good about understanding there are many different views about many subjects in christianity. He refuses to make allow these different views to create division in the church.

As J.T. Pugh famously said "Major on the majors and minor on the minors". Pastor makes it very clear to newer folks from the pulpit that if they are looking for a church where that spells out every little thing to be one way and not another they are in the wrong place. If someone is hung up on aspects of church government or eschatology for instance and believe all must believe one way then our church is not for them.

I do not look at submission as blindly following whatever a pastor says and not asking questions. That is absurd.

[Michael The Disciple]

As J.T. Pugh famously said "Major on the majors and minor on the minors". Pastor makes it very clear to newer folks from the pulpit that if they are looking for a church where that spells out every little thing to be one way and not another they are in the wrong place.

Who gets to judge which is which? Lets do this. Tell us the things you believe are MAJOR.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

We've gone to meddling now. lol. gluttony is sin, but not being over weight. There are many people who are over weight that aren't gluttonous and there are some beanpoles who eat like starving hyena's. This varies from person to person and also probably a lot to do with the types of foods. We are so fast paced, not many people eat healthy.

My grandpa said today that he thinks cancer is from all the meats we consume nowadays. Most of his childhood, meats were a luxury for his family. Plenty of beans and taters, though. He turned 84 years old this Feb. and his blood pressure is probably better than most people half his age.

If a guy is overweight due to gluttony, then it's sin. That intention in my words was a given, I thought.

[good samaritan]

Originally Posted by mfblume

If a guy is overweight due to gluttony, then it's sin. That intention in my words was a given, I thought.

I am probably a little overweight myself and I have heard preachers behind the pulpit make some fat person on the pew feel horrible and in actuality the pastor probably ate more then them. We should preach against the sin and not make it and issue of image. being fat isn't wrong as you have said, but the lifestyle may be. Many overweight people are hurt because of the skinny culture we live. In scripture having meat on your bones meant that things were prosperous.

[good samaritan]

If a guy is overweight due to gluttony, then it's sin

gluttony is a sin being overweight from it is irrelevant. gluttony is a sin even if you are not overweight from it.