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Old 06-11-2007, 12:33 PM
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Excellent post, Danielson!

The biggest fears in humans are death, which is totally a survival instinct, and public speaking, which is totally a pride issue. We want people to view us as "together". Public speaking often demonstrates that we are not.

I have always said that shyness is a fruit of pride and jealousy.
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Some folks just don't have the personality others do.... Before I label them I would at least like to know them..
No, there is a difference in being quiet (like me) and being super shy. Normally super-shyness stems from abuse or a simple refusal to be part of society. The latter is a symnptom of pride IMO.

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Does labeling people come from a pridefilled heart?????
Dude, if you only knew. I have absolutely no reason to have any personal pride.
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Old 06-11-2007, 12:34 PM
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No, there is a difference in being quiet (like me) and being super shy. Normally super-shyness stems from abuse or a simple refusal to be part of society. the latter is a symnptom of pride IMO.



Dude, if you only knew. I have absolutely no reason to have any personal pride.
Everything is beautiful in it's way!!!!
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Old 06-11-2007, 12:41 PM
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Everyone deals with certain forms of pride .. .the Apostle Paul calls it godlessness.

Whether it's in the form hedonism, self-indulgence, feelings of inadequacy/inferiority, judgementalism, self-righteousness, religiosity ... etc ....

Jesus' macro view of the law gives as a clue to God's design for it .... the first commandment is to love God first ... w/ all all our heart, mind, soul, energy ... and to love our neighbor as we love ourselves ....

You see, God knows that in our godlessness, we put ourselves first in so many things we battle and struggle with. When we put Him and others first ... we turn to God and away from ourselves.
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Old 06-11-2007, 12:43 PM
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I submit that jealousy is a symptom of pride ... We often associate pride with just arrogance ... However pride is a FOCUS ON SELF ... and it displays itself in ways we don't often associate with pride/self-focus.

A person who hates their self ... suffering from an inferiority complex ... and is willing to take their life ... is as proud as the Pharisee who believes their spirituality and works outshine us all ... the FOCUS IS STILL THE SAME ... SELF.

Those who struggle w/ jealousy and coveting also have pride issues. The focus is on self when they wish they could have what is not theirs, want someone for their self, etc.
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Old 06-11-2007, 12:44 PM
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The worst sin of all is....

The one that has any rule in my life.
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Old 06-11-2007, 12:52 PM
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I have always said that shyness is a fruit of pride and jealousy.
Unbelievable!!!
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Old 06-11-2007, 12:54 PM
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Unbelievable!!!
Really Berk? How so?

I didn't think it was an outrageous statement when I posted it.

Maybe I'm missing something.
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Old 06-11-2007, 12:56 PM
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Really Berk? How so?

I didn't think it was an outrageous statement when I posted it.

Maybe I'm missing something.
Sorry, guess I missed this:

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Old 06-11-2007, 01:01 PM
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1If you have any encouragement from being united with Christ, if any comfort from his love, if any fellowship with the Spirit, if any tenderness and compassion, 2then make my joy complete by being like-minded, having the same love, being one in spirit and purpose.

3Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit, but in humility consider others better than yourselves.

4Each of you should look not only to your own interests, but also to the interests of others.


5Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus:
6Who, being in very nature[a] God,
did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,
7but made himself nothing,
taking the very nature[b] of a servant,
being made in human likeness.

8And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
and became obedient to death—
even death on a cross!

9Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
and gave him the name that is above every name,

10that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,

11and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.
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Old 06-11-2007, 01:01 PM
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Is Jealousy the worst of all sins?

Consider the following:

1. Jealousy causes married folk to split up and run off with other people.
2. Jealousy causes people to steal.
3. Jealousy caused Cain to kill Abel.
4. Jealousy causes some to sow discord in the church - leading to church splits, backsliders, and unhealthy competition between pastors and saints.
5. Jealousy causes financial hardships. We take on too much debt in order to "keep up with the Jones'.

Solomon says, "Anger is cruel and fury overwhelming, but who can stand before jealousy?" (Proverbs 27:4). The Apostle Paul writes, "The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry, and witchcraft, hatred, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy, drunkenness, orgies and the like." (Galatians 5:19-21a) A list of sins from the proverbs of the prophet Solomon contains things that go hand in hand with jealousy. It says, "There are six things the Lord hates, seven that are detestable to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked schemes, feet that are quick to rush into evil, a false witness who pours out lies and a man who stir up dissension among brothers." (Proverbs 6:16-19)

In short, jealousy is the product of a person who feels they are superior to their fellow man, and to God. It is the pinnacle of self-centeredness.

Jealousy is what caused lucifer to declare "I will ascend".

Jealousy is the root cause of a host of other sins.

So, what do you think? Is jealousy the worst of all sins?
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