Operation Jade Helm 15:

[Monterrey]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Look on the bookshelf, next to that dusty old copy of 1984.

Yeah!

There is a lot of fear being thrown around, if you look hard enough you can find a conspiracy everywhere.

[Jito463]

Originally Posted by Esaias

EVERY president, upon being sworn in, issues a declaration of national emergency, continuing the previous ones. These go back to 1932. Some apparently go back to 1874.

I'm going to assume you have some proof? Some link to the Library of Congress showing these declarations recorded in the national archive?

Oh, wait. Conspiracy theorists don't need proof. They're right, and we're blind fools. My bad, I forgot.

For the record, government is out of control, because *WE THE PEOPLE* aren't reigning it in. This is a government of the people, by the people and for the people. If it's not working right, then we - the people - aren't doing our part.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Jito463

I'm going to assume you have some proof? Some link to the Library of Congress showing these declarations recorded in the national archive?

Oh, wait. Conspiracy theorists don't need proof. They're right, and we're blind fools. My bad, I forgot.

For the record, government is out of control, because *WE THE PEOPLE* aren't reigning it in. This is a government of the people, by the people and for the people. If it's not working right, then we - the people - aren't doing our part.

They have memes, does that count?

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Jito463

I'm going to assume you have some proof? Some link to the Library of Congress showing these declarations recorded in the national archive?

Oh, wait. Conspiracy theorists don't need proof. They're right, and we're blind fools. My bad, I forgot.

hey, it isn't entertaining enough for Fox News, so we don't blame you. exactly. But Esaias is right. Here's the latest one, and every potus since forever has issued them.

Dear Mr. Speaker: (Dear Mr. President

Section 202(d) of the National Emergencies Act,

50 U.S.C. 1622(d), provides for the automatic termination of a national emergency unless, within 90 days prior to the anniversary date of its declaration, the President publishes in the Federal Register and transmits to the Congress a notice stating that the emergency is to continue in effect beyond the anniversary date. Consistent with this provision, I have sent to the Federal Register the enclosed notice, stating that the emergency declared in Proclamation 7463 with respect to the terrorist attacks on the United States of September 11, 2001, is to continue in effect for an additional year.

The terrorist threat that led to the declaration on September 14, 2001, of a national emergency continues. For this reason, I have determined that it is necessary to continue in effect after September 14, 2014, the national emergency with respect to the terrorist threat.

Sincerely,

BARACK OBAMA

[shazeep]

it is acknowledged to be an accounting sleigh of hand, so that the executive may take advantage of extended powers.

[Esaias]

https://archive.org/details/senate-report-93-549

PDF and text available at above link.


"
Since March 9, 1933, the United States has been in a state of declared
national emergency. "

Read the Senate Report yourself.
Here's a paragraph from the Introduction:



A — A Brief Historical Sketch of the Origins
of Emergency Powers Now in Force

_ A majority of the people of the United States have lived all of their
lives under emergency rule. For 40 years, freedoms and governmental
procedures guaranteed by the Constitution have, in varying degrees,
been abridged by laws brought into force by states of national
emergency. The problem of how a constitutional democracy reacts to
great crises, however, far antedates the Great Depression. As a philo-
sophical issue, its origins reach back to the Greek city-states and the
Roman Republic. And, in the United States, actions taken by the Gov-
ernment in times of great crises have — from, at least, the Civil War —
in important ways shaped the present phenomenon of a permanent
state of national emergency.
(end quote)

Here's a 2006 CRS report on Emergency Powers and Declarations of National Emergency by Presidents, includes a list of the multitude of still operational, non-rescinded Declarations. http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/crs/98-505.pdf

Keep in mind the following: The President, with the approval of Congress, has thus used as authority for extraordinary actions laws which have no real relationship whatsoever to existing circumstances. As a consequence, a “national emergency” is now a practical necessity in order to carry out what has become the regular and normal method of governmental action. What were intended by Congress as delegations of power to be used only in the most extreme situations and for the most limited durations have become everyday powers; and a state of “emergency” has become a permanent condition.

(from above Senate Report, p 184).

So, a continual state of national emergency/ies in effect since 1933, either renewed or replaced every couple of years, which has created a situation where government cannot practically function without these emergency war powers...

There ya go. Now, the rabbit hole goes deeper of course. These issues go back to the old Trading With the Enemy Act (as detailed in the Senate Report), and even further back to Lincoln's actions in the 1860s and the subsequent Reconstruction.

America has not been run as you were taught in school. We are governed under Emergency Powers, not Constitutional authority (the USC does not even grant either the executive or legislative branches the authority to have, dispense, enact, or carry out such "emergency powers". That in itself is PROOF we are under a form of law OTHER than civilian Constitutional law.

[Esaias]

Now in regards to the "power to the people" rant posted earlier:

If the nation is run by executive fiat under Emergency War Powers, just what exactly are "we the people" supposed to do?

You are right that WTP need to do something, but I seriously doubt you have either the proper solutions or the "want-to" to put the proper solutions into play.

After all...

"...for the love of one's country, is a terrible thing..." in the words of an old Irish tune.

[Jito463]

All I read is that the president has an emergency powers act available in times of crisis, but nothing stated that explicitly that we're in a perpetual state of national emergency, or that we're under martial law. I found no evidence of that quote you posted.

Can it be abused? Yes, though not as much since congress amended it. Has it been abused? Probably. Is it continually ongoing? No evidence of that which I could find from those links you provided. In fact, the law specifically states that it expires 1 year after issuance (that also affected the previous declarations, dating back to 1933). And in that list from '76-'06, the vast majority of them were relating to foreign government interactions.

I still don't see the vast conspiracy you're painting.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Jito463

All I read is that the president has an emergency powers act available in times of crisis, but nothing stated that explicitly that we're in a perpetual state of national emergency, or that we're under martial law. I found no evidence of that quote you posted.
Can it be abused? Yes, though not as much since congress amended it. Has it been abused? Probably. Is it continually ongoing? No evidence of that which I could find from those links you provided. In fact, the law specifically states that it expires 1 year after issuance (that also affected the previous declarations, dating back to 1933). And in that list from '76-'06, the vast majority of them were relating to foreign government interactions.

I still don't see the vast conspiracy you're painting.

Apparently you didn't read the Senate Report which specifically stated we have been living under a state if emergency since 1933.

Oh well, the information is there in plane sight for any who want to know.

[Jito463]

Originally Posted by Jito463

from those links you provided. In fact, the law specifically states that it expires 1 year after issuance (that also affected the previous declarations, dating back to 1933).

I did read those links. Did you?

As enacted, the National Emergencies Act consisted of five titles. The first of these generally returned all standby statutory delegations of emergency power, activated by an outstanding declaration of national emergency, to a dormant state two years after the statute’s approval. However, the act did not cancel the 1933, 1950, 1970, and 1971 national emergency proclamations because these were issued by the President pursuant to his Article II constitutional authority. Nevertheless, it did render them ineffective by returning to dormancy the statutory authorities they had activated, thereby necessitating a new declaration to activate standby statutory emergency authorities.

Maybe you should read your own links before making statements about them.