SMH

[thephnxman]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Coming closer to the gospel on paper is one thing. Failing to truly disciple your flock and help them have depth spiritually is quite another.

Where do you believe that discipleship begins?

I believe we must give credit where credit is due. The Lord has used both of
these organizations to propagate the gospel: "Some indeed preach Christ even
of envy and strife; and some also of good will...What then? notwithstanding,
every way, whether in pretense, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein
do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice."

We must understand that pretense cannot negate the gospel: Truth is Truth.
However, true discipleship is FIRST upheld BY the gospel; then, it upholds the
Truth of the gospel.

Surely the gospel is found throughout scriptures; however, the ESSENCE of
the gospel is found in Mk. 16:16; Acts 2:38; and I Cor 15:1-4.

[Esaias]

Since this is the official "Asamblea Apostolica is baaaad" thread, perhaps these accusations can be made specific? Who is living in blatant sin, what blatant sin is it, and can such accusations be biblically sustained?

Because otherwise it's just slander...

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Since this is the official "Asamblea Apostolica is baaaad" thread, perhaps these accusations can be made specific? Who is living in blatant sin, what blatant sin is it, and can such accusations be biblically sustained?

Because otherwise it's just slander...

It has been my observation working heavily with this organization since 1998, and marrying one of their members, that they tend to define spirituality mostly by devotion to the AA and all of it's peculiar distinctive. The same can be said of their sister organization in Mexico, the IA . Yes, the head covering belief is one of those distinctives that they practically worship. They tend to glorify that particular discipline at the expense of others. They also tend to be very standoffish to other Oneness folks. My wife came from that organization and will gladly back up what I'm saying. Certainly there are good people in that sect. But they are in left field in many aspects.

There is a Mexican American UPC pastor near us that left that organization about 4 years ago. Both he and his wife were raised in it. He praises the Lord that his eyes were opened to allot of the false doctrine he was brainwashed with. His former associates no longer consider him saved for leaving "the true apostolic church".

[thephnxman]

Originally Posted by Originalist

It has been my observation working heavily with this organization since 1998, and marrying one of their members, that they tend to define spirituality mostly by devotion to the AA and all of it's peculiar distinctive. The same can be said of their sister organization in Mexico, the IA . Yes, the head covering belief is one of those distinctives that they practically worship. They tend to glorify that particular discipline at the expense of others. They also tend to be very standoffish to other Oneness folks. My wife came from that organization and will gladly back up what I'm saying. Certainly there are good people in that sect. But they are in left field in many aspects.
There is a Mexican American UPC pastor near us that left that organization about 4 years ago. Both he and his wife were raised in it. He praises the Lord that his eyes were opened to allot of the false doctrine he was brainwashed with. His former associates no longer consider him saved for leaving "the true apostolic church".

So, are you a member of the UPCI?

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by thephnxman

So, are you a member of the UPCI?

I let my UPCI license lapse in January. My pastor is still UPC licensed, but the UPC name is not on the church sign or on any literature.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Originalist

It has been my observation working heavily with this organization since 1998, and marrying one of their members, that they tend to define spirituality mostly by devotion to the AA and all of it's peculiar distinctive. The same can be said of their sister organization in Mexico, the IA . Yes, the head covering belief is one of those distinctives that they practically worship. They tend to glorify that particular discipline at the expense of others. They also tend to be very standoffish to other Oneness folks. My wife came from that organization and will gladly back up what I'm saying. Certainly there are good people in that sect. But they are in left field in many aspects.

There is a Mexican American UPC pastor near us that left that organization about 4 years ago. Both he and his wife were raised in it. He praises the Lord that his eyes were opened to allot of the false doctrine he was brainwashed with. His former associates no longer consider him saved for leaving "the true apostolic church".

Sounds like a lot of denominations....

[thephnxman]

Originally Posted by Originalist

I let my UPCI license lapse in January. My pastor is still UPC licensed, but the UPC name is not on the church sign or on any literature.

What else did you allow to "lapse"?

Has the taming of the tongue by the Holy Spirit also lapsed? Or remission of sins
in the waters of Baptism, "...in the NAME of Jesus Christ..."? Are you more
consecrated as an independent? Do you teach women to be shame-faced to
men other than their OWN husbands?

The gospel upholds true doctrine; true doctrine is subject to the gospel.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Since this is the official "Asamblea Apostolica is baaaad" thread, perhaps these accusations can be made specific? Who is living in blatant sin, what blatant sin is it, and can such accusations be biblically sustained?

Because otherwise it's just slander...

Click the link below at your own peril... This reads like a plot to a soap opera.

The last update here was in March of 2013, but it's the most detailed I've seen on the net.

AA News Blog

There's also a thread here on AFF from back in 2007:

AFF Thread Link

The drama appears to have began with the 2006 election and some irregularities in the election. After that, basically anyone who questioned the General Board was removed as Bishop or Pastor and their buildings were also seized by the AAGB.

[thephnxman]

Originally Posted by n david

Click the link below at your own peril... This reads like a plot to a soap opera.
The last update here was in March of 2013, but it's the most detailed I've seen on the net.
AA News Blog
There's also a thread here on AFF from back in 2007:
AFF Thread Link
The drama appears to have began with the 2006 election and some irregularities in the election. After that, basically anyone who questioned the General Board was removed as Bishop or Pastor and their buildings were also seized by the AAGB.

Is anyone acquainted with the Apostolic Assembly government?

If you're not acquainted,, then you have no right to speak for or against.
If you are, then you should be aware that apostolic doctrine prevails and you
should speak to only those who have offended you, or them whom you have
personally offended. Anything more than that amounts to GOSSIP.

The same can be said for the UPCI.

[n david]

Originally Posted by thephnxman

Is anyone acquainted with the Apostolic Assembly government?

If you're not acquainted,, then you have no right to speak for or against.
If you are, then you should be aware that apostolic doctrine prevails and you
should speak to only those who have offended you, or them whom you have
personally offended. Anything more than that amounts to GOSSIP.

The same can be said for the UPCI.

Now there's the typical response against anyone who dares question the actions of the leaders of any organization. You should throw in a reference to Psalms 105:15 next time. Don't question the AUTHORITAAAAAAY!

I know several people who used to be with the AA (non-governmental). I also know a few who are still with the AA (non-governmental). That said, I have no dog in the fight and don't really care what they're fighting over.