Obey them that have the rule over you - Page 3

Esaias · #21 01-10-2015, 03:47 PM

Paul was ready to offer a "proof of Christ speaking" in him to the Corinthians who doubted his authority and wisdom. He didn't offer denominational "credentials" as proof, though. Phoenix is right, the power is in the Word. Even if it comes from the mouths of babes and sucklings...

Praxeas · #22 01-10-2015, 04:04 PM

Obey then that pull the wool over your eyes?

Sean · #23 01-10-2015, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

Obey then that pull the wool over your eyes?

Lol.....good one!!!

good samaritan · #24 01-10-2015, 11:19 PM

I am glad to have pastors in my life. The labels and the way we use terms may be a little different, but I am glad that I can submit myself to another. If someone is doing something to jeapordize the soul of you are your family they shouldn't be in your life, but if they love and care about you then probably you should appreciate the influence they have. We live in a generation of rebels who don't want anyone telling them what they should do.

I wish there was a poll done for those who submitted to God fearing leadership and those who think that their salvation is personal and everyone else should stay out. Which do you think would be the most prosperous in their life? We all are following someone's influence in our life so we might as well get use to the fact that we don't have complete control. Follow good leaders and avoid the wolves in sheeps clothing.

P.S. I think it is safe to go by KJV translation (using a little common sense) and you don't have to weaken it down any. Hopefully with your children at home obey is not such a bad word.

good samaritan · #25 01-10-2015, 11:28 PM

I believe that most who pastor a church or elders wichever you call it know that a title and a position doesn't get you very far with people. Trust is earned. When people learn to trust that you care for them and want only to help them in their relationship with God then they will decide the leaders they allow in their life. If you are serving God you will have Godly influence in your life(I call them pastors)!!!! When a person is hungry for God they look for any place they can possibly glean from.

KeptByTheWord · #26 01-10-2015, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ILG

It's amazing how twisted some of the scriptures have gotten based on tradition.

Yes, really true!

KeptByTheWord · #27 01-10-2015, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by thephnxman

We are to obey the word that comes through the anointing, whether by the Ministry
or the church; for therein lies the power. Now this is worth repeating:

Power and authority is manifest in direct proportion to the Ministry's or individual's OBEDIENCE to the Word.

I agree to a point here. But here is a thought for consideration - what about this scripture?

Matt. 7:21-23
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

These are people who did great works in the name of the Lord, obviously with great power and authority, yet the Lord says unto them - depart from me, I never knew you?

How do you reconcile this scripture with your bolded statement above?

KeptByTheWord · #28 01-10-2015, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

Paul was ready to offer a "proof of Christ speaking" in him to the Corinthians who doubted his authority and wisdom. He didn't offer denominational "credentials" as proof, though. Phoenix is right, the power is in the Word. Even if it comes from the mouths of babes and sucklings...

1 Cor. 2:4 "And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of men's wisdom, but in demonstration of the spirit and of power, that your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God."

Powerful stuff right there!

KeptByTheWord · #29 01-10-2015, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

Obey then that pull the wool over your eyes?

Thanks for your wooly ...oops... worthy contribution to this subject Prax

... lol!

good samaritan · #30 01-10-2015, 11:51 PM

I have heard scholars say that most today use only enough hebrew and greek to get into trouble with their interpretations. I use a strong sometimes but If it changes the meaning based upon my study then I will stick with what the Bible says. It makes no sense to me why we think interpretations are getting more reliable. As time goes further and culture becomes more foreign then I believe that the KJV translation is more reliable then anyone on this forum. In a hundred years we will have people saying the words mean something different then what we believe now. All of my family have depended ancestory have relied on the KJV translation and I trust it.