Is your worship pagan? (L)

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by n david

In context, the "spirit and truth" is not about emotional worship vs something else. In context, the woman at the well brings up an age-old argument because Samaritans worshipped in one place and the Jews worshipped at another place. Jesus then responded to that argument by saying the time is coming when people won't argue over a place of worship, but will worship in spirit and in truth.



I agree feelings or emotion won't heal or deliver - only the HG will. I just don't believe there was a shift or change in worship from the OT to the NT.

The lame leaped and praised God. Paul and Silas praised and worshipped God. I don't believe those gathered at the Upper Room just smiled when the Holy Ghost came down. It caused such commotion that people heard and began to gather in the street below.

I believe there should be balance. IMO there is a difference between praise and worship. Praise involves the emotions. Worship goes deeper in the spirit. Both are important in the life of a believer.

I think I failed to make my point clear. A lot of people seem to think worship "in spirit" ie pentecostal worship is defined as exuberant, lively worship. But that's how they worshipped in the OT, therefore there is nothing supernatural about lively, exuberant worship. We need that, but we need more. We need REAL Pentecostal worship, which involves the manifestation of the Spirit.

I am using "worship" in it's generally understood sense as "what we do corporately when we come together".

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by Esaias

I think I failed to make my point clear. A lot of people seem to think worship "in spirit" ie pentecostal worship is defined as exuberant, lively worship. But that's how they worshipped in the OT, therefore there is nothing supernatural about lively, exuberant worship. We need that, but we need more. We need REAL Pentecostal worship, which involves the manifestation of the Spirit.

I am using "worship" in it's generally understood sense as "what we do corporately when we come together".

I agree. We have placed too much emphasis on the "emotional", but have not been as diligent to be fruit inspectors. When the "emotional" experience does not produce fruit of the spirit in our lives, we must examine whether that emotional experience was truly from the Lord. I have seen far too much credit given to the Lord for an emotional experience that failed to produce lasting fruit of the spirit in people's lives. For example - seeing people shout all over the church building, but then after the service right back to their ungodly ways and attitudes.

If your emotional experience has not produced genuine fruit of the spirit, then you must examine and see what went wrong.

This is the problem with much of the worship in churches today - it is entertainment, plain and simple, with a few tools and cues thrown in to provide an emotional experience or "high". This does not make it true genuine worship.

I have found the closest thing to genuine worship in my life that produces miraculous outcomes, is when I have been alone in my prayer closet with the Lord, and my worship unto Him there changes me deeply within, and it is that kind of experience that manifests itself in me as a change, from the inside out.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Esaias

I think I failed to make my point clear. A lot of people seem to think worship "in spirit" ie pentecostal worship is defined as exuberant, lively worship. But that's how they worshipped in the OT, therefore there is nothing supernatural about lively, exuberant worship. We need that, but we need more. We need REAL Pentecostal worship, which involves the manifestation of the Spirit.

I am using "worship" in it's generally understood sense as "what we do corporately when we come together".

I see where you're coming from now, and I agree.

[shag]

I'm thinking in the last 6 months where I meet, some folks have left to another meeting location because the pre preaching praise is quite a bit more "expressive", and that type of thing is said and preached as being God moving". So, if The idea is "swallowed" that "extreme zealous outgoing praise" is God moving in our midst, it would stand to reason why some folks would go to the most "outwardly expressive" place they can find..
I often hear" if they can do this or that at a football Game, how much more should us the people of God have enthusiast praise"! Then, when it happens, it's God.
Some of the time probly...I hope.


Not a good setup I'm thinkin