Ginsburg Was Right

[Pliny]

Then there is the DNC:

Democrats have railed against voter ID laws, and their platform “opposes laws that place unnecessary restrictions” on those seeking to vote, but Democratic National Convention officials will only issue credentials to those who present state-issued IDs.

The DNC’s website says that “all pickup persons must have a state-issued ID that matches the name submitted” to receive credentials. Media members attending the DNC have to present photo IDs at multiple checkpoints.

But even as Democrats require IDs to enter their convention and The Voter Integrity Project discovered there were 30,000 dead North Carolinians still on the state’s voter rolls, Democrats continue to fiercely oppose voter ID laws.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Governm...ter-Convention


Can't even get into the Democrat convention without proper ID.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by jfrog

lol. So instead of finding a way to accomodate poor people and help them afford such documents for voting you would rather try to compare voting to driving or owning guns...

I think the requirements to vote should be tougher than those of both driving and gun ownership. If that poor guy can afford lotto tickets, beer and cigs, he can scrape up 15 bucks for a birth certificate. I'm more concerned though about him having a basic knowledge of the constitution. If he can't pass a simple knowledge test he should not vote.

[n david]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Or maybe the prevention of voter fraud on the republican side is a smokescreen (you know since it's soooo rampant everywhere TIC)...

Republicans have more evidence of voter fraud in the 2008 and 2012 election than Democrats have of voter supression. Whether it's "sooooo rampant everywhere" doesn't matter. There shouldn't be a marker at which we finally decide voter fraud is a problem. ANY voter fraud is a problem.

Originally Posted by jfrog

But regardless of who which party is trying to use a smokescreen there are real people that are being impacted. Do I think there is a whole lot of people who cannot afford to vote because of the new texas law? I don't think there are nearly as many as the democrats act like. But then again I don't think voter fraud is nearly as big of an issue as repiblicans make it out to be either.

So with that said, can't texas pass a solution that will prevent voter fraud (something that recently is helping democrats) while also not being prohibitive to the really poor (which will help repiblicans)?

This is assuming the "really poor" either don't have or can't get legal ID. I find it really hard to believe that "really poor" people either don't or aren't able to obtain legal ID. Most of even the "really poor" have smartphones and cable tv, and yet they can't afford to get an ID?

People will find a way to afford what's important to them. It's amazing the number of people who claim to be poor, yet have smartphones, iPads, wifi, cable/satellite tv, etc.

One couple I know always talks of how much they're struggling to pay the bills. Yet, they have two cars (one with monthly payments), rent a house instead of an apartment (they'd rather pay $1K more to be able to invite people over to a house instead of an apartment), have 2 iPhone (one a 6+) and 3 iPads, 2 macbooks, wifi, AppleTV and max out their credit cards...then wonder why they're always having trouble getting by.

I would argue most "poor" people are only poor because of the debt they put themselves in and the amenities they give themselves.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Originalist

I think the requirements to vote should be tougher than those of both driving and gun ownership. If that poor guy can afford lotto tickets, beer and cigs, he can scrape up 15 bucks for a birth certificate. I'm more concerned though about him having a basic knowledge of the constitution. If he can't pass a simple knowledge test he should not vote.

This. There are immigrants who know more about our constitution than natural born citizens.

[Disciple4life]

Originally Posted by n david

Republicans have more evidence of voter fraud in the 2008 and 2012 election than Democrats have of voter supression. Whether it's "sooooo rampant everywhere" doesn't matter. There shouldn't be a marker at which we finally decide voter fraud is a problem. ANY voter fraud is a problem.


This is assuming the "really poor" either don't have or can't get legal ID. I find it really hard to believe that "really poor" people either don't or aren't able to obtain legal ID. Most of even the "really poor" have smartphones and cable tv, and yet they can't afford to get an ID?

People will find a way to afford what's important to them. It's amazing the number of people who claim to be poor, yet have smartphones, iPads, wifi, cable/satellite tv, etc.

One couple I know always talks of how much they're struggling to pay the bills. Yet, they have two cars (one with monthly payments), rent a house instead of an apartment (they'd rather pay $1K more to be able to invite people over to a house instead of an apartment), have 2 iPhone (one a 6+) and 3 iPads, 2 macbooks, wifi, AppleTV and max out their credit cards...then wonder why they're always having trouble getting by.

I would argue most "poor" people are only poor because of the debt they put themselves in and the amenities they give themselves.

There you go using logic!

Seriously I know people that get a state ID that looks just like a drivers license. Maybe it cost them $15. I don't know. They don't drive but they go renew their state ID before it expires. AND they have never complained about doing it either.

[Jermyn Davidson]

I love how you guys have zeroed in on the driver license issue but never addressed any of the other legitimate voter disenfranchisement that is happening in Texas.

Had this been happening to conservatives and had a law been passed that targetted conservative voters, some of you would be ready to call for nothing less than a civil war to address these injustices.

Whatever.

Most of you are hopelessly biased and incapable of seeing anything from another person's point of view. Seeking dialogue with you would be vain.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

I love how you guys have zeroed in on the driver license issue but never addressed any of the other legitimate voter disenfranchisement that is happening in Texas.

Had this been happening to conservatives and had a law been passed that targetted conservative voters, some of you would be ready to call for nothing less than a civil war to address these injustices.

Whatever.

Most of you are hopelessly biased and incapable of seeing anything from another person's point of view. Seeking dialogue with you would be vain.

Name one.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by n david

Name one.

Go to the original article.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Go to the original article.

Okay, I've read through the article again and found enough to show this article is pandering fear over logic (to use your phrase).

Here's what the Huffington Post opens with:

A disabled woman in Travis County was turned away from voting because she couldn’t afford to pay her parking tickets. An IHOP dishwasher from Mercedes can’t afford the cost of getting a new birth certificate, which he would need to obtain the special photo ID card required for voting. A student at a historically black college in Marshall, who registered some of her fellow students to vote, won't be able to cast a ballot herself because her driver's license isn't from Texas and the state wouldn't accept her student identification card.

Gasp! A disabled woman, an IHOP dishwasher and a black student...leave it to HP to play the cards right away. Nonetheless. Now, pay attention, these claims can be proven mute using TX law and TX State source links

Let's break this down... I hope you take time to read this and check the links. It's long, but proves this article is lying about its claims.

A disabled woman in Travis County was turned away from voting because she couldn’t afford to pay her parking tickets.

61-year-old disabled woman, Madeleine, who was “in tears” because she was turned away when she went to vote at a grocery store.

The low-income woman is on a payment plan with a court to pay off her parking tickets, DeBeauvoir said, and while she’s on the plan, her license is suspended. Now, Madeleine has to quickly get to a driver’s license office to get a voting card. Her disability qualifies her to vote by mail, but she missed that deadline because she didn’t know her license would be denied.

”She’s been voting every year since the day 18-year-olds got the right to vote, and now suddenly she finds out she’s lost her right to vote because of money,” DeBeauvoir said. “If she had money, she could just pay off the tickets [and] vote.”

Right away I have doubts about this article because it begins with this non-issue. Notice several sentences into the paragraph it shows that she was actually able to vote by going to get a voting card, which is free. What's left out is that her issue has really nothing to do with the new ID law. This has to do with a different law - the Driver Responsibility Surcharge. If you don't pay your fines, your license is suspended. If your license is suspended it cannot be used an acceptable form of ID.

Eligibility Link

An IHOP dishwasher from Mercedes can’t afford the cost of getting a new birth certificate, which he would need to obtain the special photo ID card required for voting.

Jesus Garcia, 40, was born in Texas. He has his voter card as well as an expired form of photo identification that works just fine for most purposes. But under the Texas law, that isn't enough proof, because his ID has been expired for too long. Getting another form of identification is difficult because his birth certificate, along with his wallet, was stolen about a year ago.

"I'm barely working, I don't have enough money to get my ID," Garcia, who works as a dishwasher at an IHOP restaurant, told HuffPost. He would have to pay roughly $30 to obtain a new copy of his birth certificate and a new card, according to the Brennan Center for Justice. Garcia has made two trips to the Department of Public Safety to obtain an identification card, but has been unsuccessful. He believes the law was passed to make it more difficult for people like him to vote.

"If I had money to go get my birth certificate and all that, I wouldn't be having trouble right now," Garcia said. "But like I said, money's down."

Ah, the plight of the poor IHOP dishwasher. He probably has a new iPhone 6+ though. Regardless, guess what -- that claim HP makes here about him being unable to afford the cost of a birth cert -- LIES! It doesn't cost $30 for a birth certificate. Good grief, it took me less than 5 minutes to find this information. He claims he made not one, but two trips to the DPS and he couldn't get this information. Please.

On October 21, 2013, the Department of State Health Services (DSHS) adopted a rule amendment that waives the fees charged for a certified copy of a birth record for an individual who requires a certified copy in order to obtain an Election Identification Certificate (EIC) issued by the Department of Public Safety (DPS).

Now...there is a catch. There is a flimsy little string attached. This poor IHOP dishwasher would have to go to the Vital Statistics Unit, a local registrar or county clerk IN PERSON to request a certified copy. This birth cert can only be used to get the ID needed to be able to vote, and can only be used once during their lifetime to obtain the ID.

Source Link

Two down, one to go... Hopefully these facts don't confuse you, though I do hope they cause you to do more than just post a link from the Huffington Post without verifying whether or not it's actually true.

Thus far, two of their claims have been false. Lies fabricated to pander to the fear of the left.

This one takes the cake.

A student at a historically black college in Marshall, who registered some of her fellow students to vote, won't be able to cast a ballot herself because her driver's license isn't from Texas and the state wouldn't accept her student identification card.

Krystal Watson is a student at Wiley College, a historically black college in Marshall, Texas. She voted here before the new restrictions were enacted, and even registered fellow students to vote. But she didn't realize until recently that the restrictions would prevent her from casting a ballot this year because she has an out-of-state license. When she showed up to vote early, she found herself facing off with the same person who had deputized her to register voters.

"She told me I couldn't vote, and I really didn't get it. I was like, 'What's the problem? I meet all the requirements,'" Watson said. "I don't know how many people would go somewhere and get told no and just quit at that moment."

Watson said she doesn't think she'll be able to vote this year, and says she thinks the law was put in place to keep certain kinds of people from voting.

"Marshall is a really small town -- I mean, they still have Confederate flags when I pull into school," Watson said. "So it is a bit racist, but in the community of Wiley College, it's a diverse community."

Nothing like playing the race card.

Again, the Election Identification Card (EIC) is available -- for FREE!

EIC Link

Look, I had to register to vote. I had to do so by a certain date. It was up to me to find out what that date was, and what I needed to do to register. If I ignore the law, and just show up to early voting I cannot blame anyone but myself for not being eligible to vote.

This girl can talk all she wants about racism and confederate flags, but she has no one to blame but herself. The information is easily available. It's up to HER, not anyone else.

You would think someone who helped get people registered to vote would herself make sure she had done what was necessary to vote. Especially since she isn't a resident.

Here are the 7 acceptable forms of ID.

Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public Safety (DPS)
Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS - FREE!
Texas personal identification card issued by DPS
Texas concealed handgun license issued by DPS
United States military identification card containing the person’s photograph
United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s photograph
United States passport

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Documents and ID's that cost money should not be required to vote period. The moment there is a cost involved it is wrong.

Now that said I'm all for requiring valid ID in order to vote but there needs to be at least 1 form of ID that can be presented that doesn't have a cost associated with it or the documents required to get it. Once that is managed you'll even have democrats on board with requiring ID to vote.

Not required in Texas, plus you can get a voter ID free of charge. I don't want those without clear ID to vote, or those that are too ignorant to have or get an ID. COME ON MAN!!!! lol