Left Behind nonsense Movie

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

We do not believe in the rapture for it is a non scriptural word just like the word Trinity, both are non-existing words to explain non-existing doctrines.

The Bible has always mentioned "The coming of the Lord" look at the Bible and you will see this is the only phrase that is biblical.

the rapture fantasy is nowhere in the bible.

point taken

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Originalist

post trib

Okay, thanks

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Pre trib and preterist are much alike. Anything to avoid the thought of going through the great tribulation.

Didn't want to comment on this, but just had to...lol

You've made this statement numerous times on this forum. It's an absolutely false statement

If you think preterism is about avoiding the tribulation, you have no idea what preterism is.

Preterism is about interpreting the prophetic texts within the primary context it was written.

Everybody knows pre-trib and post trib have a lot more in common. Hello, it's called dispensationalism (pre trib, post trib, mid trib, pre wrath). The fundamental difference among these are the timing of the rapture.

Please, stop being disingenuous about the topic.

Carry on...lol

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Fionn mac Cumh

Whats the rapture? I have yet to read a verse in the bible that contains that word.

So what if the word is not in the bible? What is important are ideas

[Praxeas]

This is the event called "Rapture"

1Th 4:15 For we say this to you by the Word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord shall not go before those who are asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord Himself shall descend from Heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ shall rise first.
1Th 4:17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air. And so we shall ever be with the Lord.
1Th 4:18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Sean

You will get your wish...words are powerful

Let's see if this works...

"Sean is a monkey"

*Hacks into Sean's PC and turns his web cam on and captures a still*

Oh my....It works! Words really ARE powerful

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

This is the event called "Rapture"

1Th 4:15 For we say this to you by the Word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord shall not go before those who are asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord Himself shall descend from Heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ shall rise first.
1Th 4:17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air. And so we shall ever be with the Lord.
1Th 4:18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.

There is no word "rapture" here
The only term used here is the one I use "the coming of the Lord"

There is no mention in here anywhere anything about an anti-Christ, a 7 year tribulation or people disappearing. None of the items included in the term "Rapture" are mentioned in here at all.

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

Didn't want to comment on this, but just had to...lol

You've made this statement numerous times on this forum. It's an absolutely false statement

If you think preterism is about avoiding the tribulation, you have no idea what preterism is.

Preterism is about interpreting the prophetic texts within the primary context it was written.

Everybody knows pre-trib and post trib have a lot more in common. Hello, it's called dispensationalism (pre trib, post trib, mid trib, pre wrath). The fundamental difference among these are the timing of the rapture.

Please, stop being disingenuous about the topic.

Carry on...lol

dispensationalism is a brand new theology created in the 18th century its main proponent was John Nelson Darby and widely disseminated by the Scoffield bible. before then it did not exist.

No one in the church ever taught dispensationalism.

It is only by twisting the scriptures and matching texts here and there willy nilly can anyone argue for dispensationalism.

[Truthseeker]

Is not the righteous left behind anyways?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

There is no word "rapture" here
The only term used here is the one I use "the coming of the Lord"

There is no mention in here anywhere anything about an anti-Christ, a 7 year tribulation or people disappearing. None of the items included in the term "Rapture" are mentioned in here at all.

I didn't say there was a word for Rapture there...

I didn't SAY this verse mentions an anti-Christ, a 7 year Tribulation

HOWEVER, since clearly I have to explain it to you

1Th 4:17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air. And so we shall ever be with the Lord

The part in BOLD is the idea behind the word "Rapture".

The Latin Vulgate translates the Greek word used in the above verse as
as rapiemur,from the verb rapio meaning "to catch up" or "take away".

That is where we get, in english, the word Rapture


The Greek word used above is
harpázō; fut. harpásō, aor. pass. hērpásthēn, 2d aor. pass. hērpágēn. To seize upon, spoil, snatch away. In Class. Gr., the fut. pass. harpázomai is used more often than in the NT. Literally, to seize upon with force, to rob; differing from kléptō (G2813), to steal secretly. It denotes an open act of violence in contrast to cunning and secret stealing. Though generally harpázō denotes robbery of another's property, it is not exclusively used thus, but sometimes used generally meaning forcibly to seize upon, snatch away, or take to oneself (Mat_13:19; Joh_6:15; Joh_10:12, Joh_10:28-29; Act_23:10; Jud_1:23). Especially used of the rapture (Act_8:39; 2Co_12:2, 2Co_12:4; 1Th_4:17; Rev_12:5); to use force against one (Mat_11:12).


Robertson says "Shall be caught up (harpagēsometha). Second future passive indicative of harpazō, old verb to seize, to carry off like Latin rapio."