The Seven Spirits of God

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by Sean

The only word we have from God IS the written word....We have thousands of witnesses(exact copies, contrary to the theory of FZW) of manuscripts (textus receptus) that VALIDATE our Bible as the word of God. We have WAY more than the 2 or 3 witnesses needed to establish it. If we did not have these texts, I would join yours and FZWs line of reasoning. Then I would go back to smokin doobies..LOL

Doctor Daniel B. Wallace Professor of New Testament Studies is a strong defender of the scriptures and yet he admits that all the Greek manuscripts have variations.

copying was done by hand, which is well known to be unreliable, so where exactly are these "exact" copies.

My faith stands upon Jesus Christ, I read the Bible and accept it as the word of God, and yet I have no problem accepting that there are minor variations in the Greek manuscripts, it does nothing to destroy or shake my faith at all, I have no desire to go back to smoking doobies. (not that I ever did)

[Sean]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

Doctor Daniel B. Wallace Professor of New Testament Studies is a strong defender of the scriptures and yet he admits that all the Greek manuscripts have variations.

copying was done by hand, which is well known to be unreliable, so where exactly are these "exact" copies.

My faith stands upon Jesus Christ, I read the Bible and accept it as the word of God, and yet I have no problem accepting that there are minor variations in the Greek manuscripts, it does nothing to destroy or shake my faith at all, I have no desire to go back to smoking doobies. (not that I ever did)

Dr Walter Vieth, of the KJV thread we debated a few months ago, and many others of like mindedness, said there are very slight variations in only a few copies of the THOUSANDS of exact copies of the Textus Receptus. They(the translators) did not insert any variations in the final work to give us our translation of the Bible we have. I am of the camp that believes that the Lord Jesus has preserved His word for our generation. I will not believe in a Bible as the Word of God that is "kinda right"...Gods' spoken word is completely true and His written word also must be completely true, or either His spoken and written word has been lost through antiquity and the TRUTH is up for grabs.

I will not believe the reprobate PHDs on the history channel. Jesus did preserve His word for us and it was baptized with the blood of the martyrs.

So, for me...no doobies in my future...LOL

[good samaritan]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

God's word is infallible, the written word is not and never has been. We seem to think we must have God's written word perfect, word for word in order for it to be valid. Even Paul said we live by the spirit of the word not the letter. You can say the manuscripts are different from each other, but the fact is while they may say things with different words the meaning is the same.

If you don't believe the written word of God is infallible then how can you be sure Paul really said that. If you discredit one part of the Bible then how can you defend another part of it. One lie is all it takes to be labeled a liar. To each there own, but my faith is its infallible.

[Sean]

Brother G.S., if you get some time, watch this video. It tells us where all the Bible versions actually come from and how our Received Text Bible is infallible. You wont regret watching it!

http://amazingdiscoveries.tv/media/1...of-the-bibles/

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

If you don't believe the written word of God is infallible then how can you be sure Paul really said that. If you discredit one part of the Bible then how can you defend another part of it. One lie is all it takes to be labeled a liar. To each there own, but my faith is its infallible.

Of course we believe the "original" word of God is infallible.
The reason scholars study all the Greek Manuscripts is to determine which is the "original" text that was written. They compare the different variations among the texts and seek to determine which of the variations is most likely to be the "original" text.

a mistake in copying the scriptures is not a lie, it is simply a mistake. That is why the scholars compare all those texts to determine which is the mistake.

[good samaritan]

I trust the KJV and I don't need a lot of extra research to verify it. You will have some scholars say this and others saying that, but I would rather just trust the JKV. I have found it not to contradict itself and at times when I thought I read something questionable I later understood.

To me if a Bible says the words "Paul said" and he really didn't say it then it would be a lie. I trust it as it is and I don't think we need to be looking for something better. I believe in being Spirit led, but if it is contrary to my KJV Bible I am going to keep seeking God and follow the Bible. I seek after God's Spirit in my life and I know the Holy Ghost will not lead me wrong, but I know sometimes I can miss it so I'll line it up with the KJV.

[Godsdrummer]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

If you don't believe the written word of God is infallible then how can you be sure Paul really said that. If you discredit one part of the Bible then how can you defend another part of it. One lie is all it takes to be labeled a liar. To each there own, but my faith is its infallible.

You completely missed the point. Every translation from one language to another has variations in the way the wording comes across. But it does not change the meaning or the message. The meaning and message is infallible.
And I don't believe I said, anything about discrediting any part of the Bible.

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

You completely missed the point. Every translation from one language to another has variations in the way the wording comes across. But it does not change the meaning or the message. The meaning and message is infallible.
And I don't believe I said, anything about discrediting any part of the Bible.

Go away you heathen, if the KJV was good enough for Paul and Peter it is good enough for me.

[good samaritan]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

You completely missed the point. Every translation from one language to another has variations in the way the wording comes across. But it does not change the meaning or the message. The meaning and message is infallible.
And I don't believe I said, anything about discrediting any part of the Bible.

Sorry if I misunderstood you, but I took you to mean the message of the Bible.
Its true that three people can have the same message and write with different wording. One could say you are cool, one could say you are awesome, and another could say hip. Our words could be different and our message the same.

although our words might be different the meaning would be the same. If you keep the meaning then there will be no contradictions. Thus the Bible would infallible.

[good samaritan]

I agree with FZ about the KJV. I think we can stand on the KJV Bible.