What About The Children???

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

No, your solution is too forthwright. Somewhere there is a conservative trying to figure out a way to get them into the river without looking like that was the intent from the begining.

Here we go again.
It is amazing that "Christians" who are supposed to share a common background cannot have a civil conversation about things.
So, should we just have open borders and let anyone in who shows up?

[n david]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Your use of that phrase with me is specifically geared towards me because I am black and he is black. Your word usage isn't in itself racist, but there is a disrespective undertone that is completely laced with racial garbage.

It is completely unnecessarilly and purposefully off-putting, adding nothing to the previously respectful conversation.

Uhm, okay. Here we go again. At any and every chance, you play the card. It's your thing. Do your thing. (And by using the phrase, "Do your thing," I mean no racial intent.)

Good grief

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

I am proud of him because he is the first black President. I am proud of many things that have happened on his watch.

1) He revised and expanded the HARP program for American homeowners.

Creating more negative debt for homeowners.

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2) The banks and businesses he saved through stimulus.

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3) He saved the American auto industry (General motors).

Obama had nothing to do with this. W and Paulson put this in place during the 2008 Primary. I was against it, and still am.

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4) He kept his promise on Iraq.

Again, the deadline was already set and agreed to while W was in office.

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5) Capturing and killing Bin Laden.

This I didn't realize! OBAMA captured and then killed OBL? Here I thought it was Seal Team 6 that did it.

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6) There is a healthcare law that helps expand healthcare to children-- apart from the ACA.

The Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP) was signed into law by Clinton and has continued through the W and obama admins. obama simply reauthorized the bill until 2019. He didn't implement it or begin it.

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7) The healthcare that many more Americans have access to now that Affordable care Act is the law.

The same obamacare which has been challenged and found to have unconstitutional provisions, and the same which may yet be invalidated by the courts since the WH claims the penalty is a tax and it did not originate in the US House, which is required by the Constitution.

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8) He has increased fuel efficiency standards for automobiles.

Every President has done this. Seriously, you're grasping for something here.

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9) Military Veterans receive better care and have their claims reviewed and decided much faster because of his policies.

Seriously!? You're going to claim military vets receive better and faster care. Did you even read before copying and pasting this list? In the middle of the worst Vet scandal in history, you're going to claim it's better under obama. Wow!

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10) His policies have helped to privatize the space industry.

They've also help gut the space program and outsource exploration to launches from Russia and China.

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11) His policies are helping to fix the drug sentencing disparities that existed between cocaine and crack cocaine.

Well, when the President is also a former addict, this can be expected.

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12) People can serve their country in the military regardless of sexual orientation. At first, I thought this was a bad thing, but now I don't think this is a bad thing.

Awe, how tolerant of you! I think it's wonderful. W should have done this during his terms, so that way they could've redecorated Sadaam's palaces.

Please post the source of this copy/paste job. Thanks

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Dude, as much as we have discussed things and this is how you think? If I wanted to call you racist, I'd simply call you racist. I was trying to point out to you the unnecesarily racially charged slant that you gave your observation of my admiration of President Obama. I am trying to help you see where many Republicans go wrong in one conversation, and later wonder why they have very little success in appealing to a more diverse electorate.

Well, you did call what I posted racist, a bit indirectly, but still made the claim. And the reason the GOP has these alleged issues is because of blacks who accuse other blacks who support the GOP of being "Uncle Toms" or "House N-s." The reason the GOP has alleged issues reaching the black vote is because black leaders like Sharpton and other want to keep them poor and keep them disenfranchised so they can continue to exert their control over them and remain leaders in the black community.

It's like growing up in my Father's church, where a black Pastor told a couple who wanted to come to our church that they should stay with their own kind and that these "crackers" can't understand them.

The problem with the GOP and black relations has little to do with the GOP. The biggest problem is the leaders in the black community...the NAACP, Sharpton and Jackson and all the black Pastors who demonize the GOP and lie about the history of the civil rights. Don't tell me you're trying to help. You spend post after post condemning the GOP as racists without proof.

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Now I don't have answers to your other questions, but as you say I am attached to Obama's posterior, I can just as easily say that you are blinded by idealogically driven hate for President Obama to only see negative in everyting he does.

Aren't you curious at all as to the timeline of events and why the muzzle on the Border Patrol and press? This goes beyond my disdain for obama's policies.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

JD - Bill Clinton used military force to return a Cuban child to his parent.
The fact is that the majority of these children have left their parents to come here.
They are not coming here to be with their parents, they are coming here to try to become citizens.
We need to return these children to their parents.
They are also breaking the law.
Are we a nation of laws or do we just make it up as we go?

50,000+ children-- some with only their birth certificates, possibly some with not even that. We are being led to believe that these children wandered thousands of miles through danger and desert without their parents.

That Cuban child had a father that wanted his son in his custody.

These children-- what about these children? This is nowhere near the same situation.


Now for abortion, the Supreme Court has set the law so that abortion is legalized. We are a nation of laws and the Supreme Court of the land has spoken. Why attempt to create laws that circumvent the intent of the Supreme Court? They intended for American women to be able to have access to safe and healthy ways to kill their unborn children.

Some conservatives will go out of the way to prevent the killing of an unborn child that they don't know and probably will never know.

Now we have 50,000+ children staring us in the face, from behind bars. What do some conservatives suggest we do with these children?

They want America to wash her hands of these children. They are not our children-- but neither are the aborted ones or the ones that will be raised in horrendous environments becuase the mother was forced by circumstance (not love) to give birth and to take care them.

These children are already alive, full of promise and potential right in front of us, but these, they aren't ours.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Well, the only solution I can come up with that falls in line with the morality of protecting human life is to keep those 50,000 children here in America.

So you believe the best thing is to keep these kids away from their parents, which likely will result in them either being 1) put in state foster care; or 2) living homeless and on the streets.

Really? You don't believe it's humane to return them to their parents? There is a humane way to return them to their parents. We've been flying illegals back to their homelands for decades.

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Abide by the law? By law, the woman caught in adultery would have been killed.

Where in US law is this written? C'mon.

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In Ecclesiastes, the Bible says there is a time and place for everything.... If there was a time to break the law, this would be the time.

Now you're just twisting scripture to fit your belief.

[Jermyn Davidson]

n david,

So you don't see at all that there is a disrespective undertone that is completely laced with racial garbage in the context of your statement?

[n david]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

That Cuban child had a father that wanted his son in his custody.

Elian also had a mother who wanted to keep him. Clinton played politics with his decision. It was a bad decision.

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Now we have 50,000+ children staring us in the face, from behind bars. What do some conservatives suggest we do with these children?

They want America to wash her hands of these children. They are not our children-- but neither are the aborted ones or the ones that will be raised in horrendous environments becuase the mother was forced by circumstance (not love) to give birth and to take care them.

These children are already alive, full of promise and potential right in front of us, but these, they aren't ours.

Your analogy is absurd. Sorry to be so blunt, but it is.

[Jermyn Davidson]

If I thought there was a way for America to return them directly to their parents, then maybe I'd be on board for it.

But then, good parents wouldn't let this happen, would they?

I am under the impression that these kids would be extremely difficult or impossible to return to their parents-- identity issues, parents moving, etc.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by n david

Elian also had a mother who wanted to keep him. Clinton played politics with his decision. It was a bad decision.


Your analogy is absurd. Sorry to be so blunt, but it is.

Oh well, suit yourself.

That analogy is the basis for my statement to aegsm76 about conservatives caring more the unborn then for the 50,000+ we now have a chance to influence for the good.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

n david,

So you don't see at all that there is a disrespective undertone that is completely laced with racial garbage in the context of your statement?

If you're asking whether I don't respect obama, you're right. I do not respect him. If you're asking whether there was racial garbage in the phrase, it wasn't intentional.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by n david

If you're asking whether I don't respect obama, you're right. I do not respect him. If you're asking whether there was racial garbage in the phrase, it wasn't intentional.

It appears intentional, given the context of the conversation.

However, I love you and believe you.

Have a good night.