Assemblies of God 2013 Statistics Released

[Reader]

Originally Posted by AR Pastor

The world of oneness Pentecost that I know is much different than what I see here, but it is anything but small. There are so many meetings and conf. that still preach the truth I could never attend them all.

It actually is small if you compare it to OPs in general. Stop excluding your bearded brethren from fellowship and you'll see.

[Reader]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

With this being the case, since people from all backgrounds and associations like to church shop and hop, numerical growth may only be an indicator of already professing and believing transplants from a non-AoG church.

While it may mean the ranks are swelling, it doesn't necessarily mean the AoG is actually growing in terms of fulfilling the Great Commission (i.e. winning the lost).

The exact same may be said of UPC growth, PAW, ALJC & all other Apostolic organizations.

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by AR Pastor

Why would oneness folks care what the AOG is doing. They are preaching false doctrine and are a false church so why would we care what they do?

Speaking of which, maybe you could lend a hand to your brothers (er, are they your brothers? ) and help them out with a little doctrine problem they're having. No, not the BIG doctrine problem -- how many Gods there are -- no, this is pretty simple, in comparison. It's healing.

It's one of the AG's 16 Fundamental Truths, and it's even one of their 4 "Cardinal Doctrines", which they say are "essential to the church's core mission of reaching the world for Christ". And yet they have this nagging problem with this "essential" "truth". Here is Fundamental Truth #12. Divine Healing:

Divine healing is an integral part of the gospel. Deliverance from sickness is provided for in the atonement, and is the privilege of all believers.

Isaiah 53:4,5
Matthew 8:16,17
James 5:14-16

http://ag.org/top/Beliefs/Statement_...ft_full.cfm#12

It's part of the gospel. Provided for in the atonement. It is the privilege of all believers.

Isn't that nice? Here's the problem: not all believers are healed. They know it. They say it, in a position paper. They say they don't know why!

Think I'm kidding? See for yourself: http://ag.org/top/Beliefs/Position_P...ne_Healing.pdf.

But it gets worse. Having called it an "essential" doctrine, and having said that healing is "provided for in the atonement", here's the big question: If one of the provisions of the atonement doesn't always happen (healing), how can you know if the other provision, namely salvation, always happens? How can anyone know if their sins are really "atoned for"?

So. Can you help them out? Certainly, you APs don't have this problem.

[AR Pastor]

AOG people are not my brethren. The are not in God's family. They have refused His name.

[navygoat1998]

Originally Posted by AR Pastor

AOG people are not my brethren. The are not in God's family. They have refused His name.

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by AR Pastor

AOG people are not my brethren. The are not in God's family. They have refused His name.

They have refused His name?!? When did this happen?!

[AR Pastor]

When they refused Jesus name baptism. Anyone not baptized in Jesus name are not in the family and their sins have not been remitted.

To be in the family on must be born again of the water and the spirit.

[navygoat1998]

Originally Posted by AR Pastor

When they refused Jesus name baptism. Anyone not baptized in Jesus name are not in the family and their sins have not been remitted.

To be in the family on must be born again of the water and the spirit.

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by navygoat1998

If I may quote our departed Brother Manzell... "you are in very much trouble"....

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

This is wonderful Sis! Glad to hear it! How have you been? Missed seeing you around!

Thank you for asking after me KeptByTheWord, I always appreciate your thoughtful and kind posts. I'm doing pretty well, busy with work, church, and home projects.