You Can Fake It All

[n david]

Originally Posted by ILG

It's totally truthful and not in the least dishonest.

Really? Like your claim that because the doctrine is passed down, a great many have no clue what salvation is? Or that there's no way to tell, as you put it "who's in or who's out."

How many UPC churches have you been in for more than just one or two services?

[n david]

Originally Posted by endtimer

Starting to run out of dead horses to beat. I guess this is what keeps these forums going...

Same regurgitated junk over and over.

[endtimer]

Originally Posted by ILG

That's because I just started it this morning. But, anytime you get to the meat of a discussion that might touch some spots that people are uncomfortable with they start saying things about "beating dead horses" and "bashing" because it hits too close to home, I suspect. And also they are taught organizationally that any criticism about the organization is wrong and that the organization must be defended constantly. Truth stands for itself though and is self evident and needs no defending. Truth needs presenting not defending. Let the people decide.

Could care less how you feel about UPC or any organization. I agree with you on some of your points. I think UPC bashing is a tired subject, that's all. You paint those who criticize your thread with the same broad, sloppy brush that you are painting an organization with. Please... Carry on.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by n david

Really? Like your claim that because the doctrine is passed down, a great many have no clue what salvation is? Or that there's no way to tell, as you put it "who's in or who's out."

How many UPC churches have you been in for more than just one or two services?

LOL! A whole, whole lot, my friend.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by endtimer

Could care less how you feel about UPC or any organization. I agree with you on some of your points. I think UPC bashing is a tired subject, that's all. You paint those who criticize your thread with the same broad, sloppy brush that you are painting an organization with. Please... Carry on.

Okay.

[n david]

Newsflash:

It's much easier to fake it in mainstream denominal churches.

Repentance/salvation ...meh, just repeat.what the minister says.

Baptism... don't have to do it.

Holy Ghost...heresy! No need for it.

Living Holy and separate from the world...HA! Not at most churches. You can still smoke, drink, go to bars, party, cohabitate, pretty much live how you want and still go to heaven. If you believe in heaven, that is.

Just love people, that's all. Live life however you want, but love people and you're golden!

[n david]

Originally Posted by ILG

LOL! A whole, whole lot, my friend.

Define "a whole, whole lot."

[Monterrey]

Whoops, sorry, didn't realize that this was a bash it UPCI thread. I really meant my remarks in seriousness regarding the fruit of Spirit.

But................

Seeings that this thread is turning that way.....

DOWN WITH THE UPCI, WPF, GIBS, ALJC, LDS, whoops, kinda got carried away!

LOL

Carry on folks.

[jediwill83]

Not really true man...I used to think that but you look at the Fundamentalist Baptists and wow!....All they focus on is the outward.Look im not UPC bashing...grew up in it and until recently had only belonged to UPC churches...but neither am I defending it..its not a problem that rests solely with Pentecostals but its one that is a common one in ANY church where you have members that are multi-generational...it becomes more culture...the longer you are exposed to the environment the easier it is to blend in because its a very strong cultural entity.You feel as if you are family and the church is the only place of safety and refuge this causes a very strong desire to blend in and conform...you dont want to be seen as different.

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by n david

Dumb thread. More bash the UPC junk.

You can take your main point and use it for any denomination. But instead, you felt the need to single out the UPC.

You can fake it as a Catholic, Lutheran, Mormon, COGIC, Baptist, "Charismatic," Independent, whatever.

You don't like the UPC, okay, I get it. Just use some intellectual honesty in a thread like this and admit that ANYONE in ANY denomination can fake it. This isn't something limited to the UPC.