How do you almost receive a gift?

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

I want to plainly state that I don't believe that the Bible makes the case for salvation having to do with speaking in tongues.

Even if it did, the Bible states that He would use stammering lips and strange tongues.

So why wouldn't stammering lips be enough to call someone saved?

It does.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by n david

That's good. Typically my rule is they have to be continuously speaking in tongues for at least a good 5 or 10 minutes straight before I'm convinced they've received the Holy Ghost.

/kidding

My husband spoke ONCE, for 30 minutes, upon initially receiving the Holy Ghost, but has never spoken in tongues since.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

I want to plainly state that I don't believe that the Bible makes the case for salvation having to do with speaking in tongues.

It does.

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Even if it did, the Bible states that He would use stammering lips and strange tongues.

Isaiah 28:11 is not about the Holy Ghost or speaking in tongues.

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

So why wouldn't stammering lips be enough to call someone saved?

It's not.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by n david

It does.


Isaiah 28:11 is not about the Holy Ghost or speaking in tongues.


It's not.

How do you mark the difference between stammering lips and speaking in tongues? At what point does "stammering lips" become "speaking in tongues?"

[renee819]

Stammering lips is a real experience.

I started seeking for the Holy Ghost when I was 11. I'm ashamed to admit that I had stammering lips for years. And I'm not sure to this day why. Sometimes I would get very discouraged, but I would not quit.

One thing I determined, within myself, I had to speak plainly before I would accept it. Also I heard stories about people seeing a great light, or some other great thing happening to them, and I was expecting this also. But I believe Kept hit the nail on the head., at least this was also my conclusion years later.

Kept wrote,

Could it be that people are seeking the gift instead of the GIVER, and that is why they are not receiving? That is my take on it. It is taught that you will go to hell if you don't receive, and so therefore, the seeker is seeking the gift, instead of the GIVER

I believed and still do that a person has to receive the Holy Ghost to be saved. Therefore, I was seeking the Holy Ghost.
I put this on here for example of what we need to teach people.

[houston]

Where do we find stammering lips in the book of ACTS???


*crickets*

[houston]

The stammering lips in the book of Isaiah is not what you find in pentecostal services.

[n david]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

How do you mark the difference between stammering lips and speaking in tongues? At what point does "stammering lips" become "speaking in tongues?"

It depends on how you define "stammering," or what you believe it to be. IMO, there is a difference between stammering and speaking in tongues. Speaking in tongues is clear and fluent; stammering is not.

[n david]

Originally Posted by houston

The stammering lips in the book of Isaiah is not what you find in pentecostal services.

Isaiah was referencing a judgement against Israel. Unless people believe speaking in tongues is a judgement against them, the "stammering lips and other tongues" of Isaiah 28:11 is not the speaking in tongues as the spirit gives utterance of Acts 2.

[obriencp]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

My husband spoke ONCE, for 30 minutes, upon initially receiving the Holy Ghost, but has never spoken in tongues since.

According to many, he's no longer saved because he hasn't been stiring up the gift.

That's the problem with these "satisfy everyone" statements... who are we to judge whether or not someone is saved based on what a crowd thinks while they're gathered around someone having an intimate moment with our Savior. Some need to see/hear a fluent tongues experience for a certain amount of time... seriously?! If we're speaking in heavenly tongues how can the crowd determine what is fluent. Because we hear some common "tongue" words we're the experts on what is/has taken place to their inner man?

Why can't we tell people to seek the giver as someone already posted and let their fruit bear witness of their salvation. Explain to seekers what can happen so their not afraid to submit, but don't give guidlines as to what has to happen. I've told someone they "almost had it" and often wonder where they ended up. I saw the disappointment, doubt, and fear in their eyes and I regret it still.