Are All the Apostolics Gone from AFF?

[Real Realism]

Originally Posted by Amanah

I believe in:
**the Oneness of God
**repentance, baptism in Jesus' name, Holy Ghost/tongues
**modesty, and separation from worldliness

but I didn't find a poll option that I was comfortable with.

The first option doesn't hold true for you? You don't believe modesty includes women wearing skirts, because that's women's apparel? Or not cutting their hair? Or generally not wearing make up?

[Real Realism]

I also am in no way intending to say the people who don't believe in "the holy trinity" of dress standards have no standards! But I'm using that ubiquitous terminology that we all know and understand what is meant when the UPCI and other Apostolic churches talk about standards.

Since pursuing a more personal faith that has diverged from the UPCI party line, my family and I have developed our own personal convictions related to dress and behavior. But they are OUR convictions.

Also, I understand that those who follow, or who's wives follow the three standards I listed may not perceive them as a check list the way it appears on this poll. And there are other modesty standards you follow that aren't included. The poll is just meant as a barometer.

[tv1a]

Epley's dad was just as apostolic.

[navygoat1998]

Originally Posted by tv1a

Epley's dad was just as apostolic.

Funny, I thought he said his Dad was a Charismatic.

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by navygoat1998

Funny, I thought he said his Dad was a Charismatic.

What is a charismatic anyway and how do they differ from the AGs?

[navygoat1998]

Originally Posted by seekerman

What is a charismatic anyway and how do they differ from the AGs?

It is a matter of semantics. Not to much difference in beliefs. Maybe in the initial evidence doctrine. The Charismatic movement really took of with the Jesus movement, kind of like with the "Calvary Chapel" and Chuck Smith.

In the AG the influx of the Charismatic movement forced them to get away from the Holiness standard of dress.

[Real Realism]

Originally Posted by Real Realism

I'm totally with you on this. I believe in the end, not a single one of us can fully comprehend the essence of who God is and are trying to put human words and concepts together to try to make sense of him.

That's one reason I didn't put belief in the trinity as part of the poll...many times Trinidadian explanations of the godhead end up being semantical, and in many ways trying to say the same thing as Oneness people do. But the baptism in Jesus name part is an interesting indicator of how one approaches salvation, particularly as it relates to an attempt to emulate what is written about the both of the church in the book of Acts.

lol - I just reread the previous page and saw this. Autocorrect.

[Real Realism]

Originally Posted by tv1a

Epley doesn't hold a monopoly on apostolic.

Agreed. And Epley might not even feel that those who hold only to the "no pants, no cut hair, no make-up" option are "Apostolic" enough for his standards.

But none of us are strangers to the typical connotations of the word "Apostolic" among our ranks, and it generally means tongue-talking, Jesus name, "holiness lifestyle" (i.e. how I dress, what I don't watch...or what type of screen I use to watch things...no big theater screen or TV, but we sure do watch a lot of YouTube...okay, so that's a little tongue-in-cheek and not the point of this thread...but I couldn't help myself).

That also brings me to the point that the word "holiness" has been co-opted to primarily refer to "dress code."

And while there are many threads around that argue the truth behind those assertions (that Apostolics only believe a certain thing or that how you dress is how you measure holiness)...we all know what they "generally" are intended to mean when they're brought up.

[navygoat1998]

Originally Posted by Real Realism

Agreed. And Epley might not even feel that those who hold only to the "no pants, no cut hair, no make-up" option are "Apostolic" enough for his standards.

But none of us are strangers to the typical connotations of the word "Apostolic" among our ranks, and it generally means tongue-talking, Jesus name, "holiness lifestyle" (i.e. how I dress, what I don't watch...or what type of screen I use to watch things...no big theater screen or TV, but we sure do watch a lot of YouTube...okay, so that's a little tongue-in-cheek and not the point of this thread...but I couldn't help myself).

That also brings me to the point that the word "holiness" has been co-opted to primarily refer to "dress code."

And while there are many threads around that argue the truth behind those assertions (that Apostolics only believe a certain thing or that how you dress is how you measure holiness)...we all know what they "generally" are intended to mean when they're brought up.

[Esaias]

I thought 'apostolic' meant 'of or relating to the apostles'?

Like - what the apostles taught, what the apostles practiced?

If it's not what the apostles taught or practiced, it is not apostolic. Period.