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11-22-2013, 11:04 AM
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Re: Misty Edwards Full Concert!
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Have you watched any of the webcasts or Bickle's messages? If not, go watch some. His beliefs on contemplative prayer is straight new age.
Check out IHOP's bookstore. It's filled with books that are on new age.
Fire Within Bickle says he wants this to be IHOP's "manual." It's a book on Catholics and mysticism.
Contemplative Prayer Here's what IHOP has for the book:
"He [Thomas Merton] brings together a wealth of meditative and mystical influences from John of the Cross to Eastern desert monasticism to create a spiritual path for today. Most important, he shows how the peace contacted through meditation should not be sought in order to evade the problems of contemporary life, but can instead be directed back out into the world to affect positive change. Contemplative Prayer is one of the most well-known works of spirituality of the last one hundred years, and it is a must-read for all seeking to live a life of purpose in today's world."
Thomas Merton was a Catholic and mystic.
Dream Language
Lost Art of Practicing His Presence
John Goll is a false prophet. He claimed God spoke to him and told him Mitt Romney would win the election. After the election, of course, it was proven to be false and he wrote a blog complaining that people took his words out of context.
Forgotten Desert Mothers This book talks about finding new ways to communicate with God. Among these new ways is "centering prayer" and "Christian" meditation.
Combine what I've seen with what I've read in the news, on the site and from people previously associated with IHOP, that's why I wrote what I wrote.
And I stand by it.
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Thank you for addressing these things. The depths of the deception satan is using to deceive the church seems to know no boundaries.
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11-22-2013, 11:50 AM
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Re: Misty Edwards Full Concert!
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Thank you for addressing these things. The depths of the deception satan is using to deceive the church seems to know no boundaries.
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Some think because it's done in church, and it's "prayer" it must be okay. But we have to have discernment and know what's true and what's deception.
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11-22-2013, 04:57 PM
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Re: Misty Edwards Full Concert!
I have watched IHOP Webstream for going on 4 years. The Prayer Room is a tremendous concept. While its true that on the platform there is far more praise and worship than prayer, that in no way indicates they are not a praying people.
These young people could be out on the streets doing drugs and playing the whore. They could be sitting in a dead, lukewarm Church merely warming pews like most Christians.
Instead they choose to spend their time actively serving Christ. In those 4 years what I have noticed in their teaching and preaching is a total pointing to Jesus Christ. I have never heard ANYTHING that sounds "new age".
Now if we understand that Trinity and faith alone doctrine are "new age" THEN I would say they are new age. The same as some on this forum.
The same as 99% of all the "Apologetics" teachers that go around deciding who is a cult. The huge amount of those who call IHOP new age and cults are actually all cults themselves!
They hate IHOP because they teach Christian living and the post tribulation rapture. Two things I embrace myself. Many of the testimonies people use against IHOP relate to what they call teaching "works". In other words obeying Jesus Christ!
What a shocking concept!
I have heard and assume it to be true that Bickle recommends books that I consider false. Yet for anyone to think that he teaches anything other than Christ in their community and to brand him as "new age" is totally absurd.
He teaches some things accurately such as sermon on the mount discipleship, post trib rapture, and total abandonment to Jesus.
I honor him for leading thousands of young people that direction. On the other hand he is an Evangelical. Trinity and "faith alone" salvation. This truly is cultic doctrine. I pray regularly for them to come to more truth.
Bottom line as to this conversation Mike Bickle has stopped short of the whole counsel of God. To that I agree.
But to brand him "new age" as in spiritism and the occult is to have no clue what they are talking about. IHOPS message is JESUS from beginning to end.
If I were an Evangelical Charismatic believer I would certainly be part of their movement. It is the closest thing to the "Jesus Movement" I came up in that I know of in these times.
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11-22-2013, 08:26 PM
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Re: Misty Edwards Full Concert!
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By "Prayer Room," you mean the IHOP chapel. Every now and then I've looked at either live or archived videos. Prior to posting this, I went through several archived videos, since it's been several months or even a year since I last looked an IHOP webcast. It's mostly singing or chanting. Ironically, for a place called a "House of Prayer," there's really not much prayer going on there.
I'm very cautious about Misty Edwards. She helped found IHOP, which I and many others consider to be a new age cult.
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Allow me to point something out. Praise and thanksgiving is a very important part of our life with Yeshua.
18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit; 19 Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord; 20 Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ; Eph. 5:18-20
This is not a small thing.
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Look at these 3 things TOGETHER.
Rejoice evermore. 17 Pray without ceasing. 18 In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you. I Thess. 5:17-18
Its all part of abiding in Christ. Sometimes my prayers have just been giving of thanks. Sometimes just worshipping.
Prayer is very important. But when you are spending hours of time with Christ through the day you get much more of his fullness by incorporating worship and thanksgiving.
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11-22-2013, 08:52 PM
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Please. Bickle uses impressionable young adults, has them pay almost $5K for his IHOP school. They aren't allowed to leave the building without permission from an IHOP minder. As part of their "schooling" they have to spend countless hours in the non-prayer prayer room.
Even Bickle's brother had an issue with his teaching and handling of the students before he died.
I haven't even mentioned the sex slave murder which happened at that IHOP. Where one of the musicians killed a married girl whom the group passed around as a sex slave.
But I guess I don't have a clue or know anything. Right.
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11-22-2013, 09:03 PM
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Re: Misty Edwards Full Concert!
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Please. Bickle uses impressionable young adults, has them pay almost $5K for his IHOP school. They aren't allowed to leave the building without permission from an IHOP minder. As part of their "schooling" they have to spend countless hours in the non-prayer prayer room.
Even Bickle's brother had an issue with his teaching and handling of the students before he died.
I haven't even mentioned the sex slave murder which happened at that IHOP.
But I guess I don't have a clue or know anything. Right.
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Do Christian Colleges charge money? Of course. I consider it a waste of money to go to any pay for learn Bible College.
Who pray tell FORCES young Christians to go to them? Does IHOP force people off the street to come there? No. They come because they feel IHOP has more to offer them than the Church they go to which is probably almost always correct.
Where is your PROOF that one may not leave the building without permission?
And your sex slave story was obviously not believed by local authorities or they would have been indicted.
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11-22-2013, 09:59 PM
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Do Christian Colleges charge money? Of course. I consider it a waste of money to go to any pay for learn Bible College.
Who pray tell FORCES young Christians to go to them? Does IHOP force people off the street to come there? No. They come because they feel IHOP has more to offer them than the Church they go to which is probably almost always correct.
Where is your PROOF that one may not leave the building without permission?
And your sex slave story was obviously not believed by local authorities or they would have been indicted.
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Never said they were forced, I said Bickle uses their youth and naivety against them. They feel they are going to do some great work and end up working like slaves.
All the UPC Bible schools are accredited. IHOP is not. Besides that, IHOP can't be compared to any real college or university. It's run by Bickle and all about Bickle.
Again, even Bickle's brother was at IHOP when it started then left after confronting Bickle about his false doctrine.
And the musician was charged with murder. Her husband, who attended IHOP (though they've tried denying it) was not charged, but has been accused of pimping his wife around to the IHOP members who lived with them.
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11-23-2013, 07:13 AM
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Re: Misty Edwards Full Concert!
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Never said they were forced, I said Bickle uses their youth and naivety against them. They feel they are going to do some great work and end up working like slaves.
All the UPC Bible schools are accredited. IHOP is not. Besides that, IHOP can't be compared to any real college or university. It's run by Bickle and all about Bickle.
Again, even Bickle's brother was at IHOP when it started then left after confronting Bickle about his false doctrine.
And the musician was charged with murder. Her husband, who attended IHOP (though they've tried denying it) was not charged, but has been accused of pimping his wife around to the IHOP members who lived with them.
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Working like slaves? IHOP presents it as a spiritual boot camp. They know what they are getting into. If one dreads prayer, Bible study, fasting, and witnessing for Christ it would be a good place to avoid.
As I recall the killer was not a musician at IHOP. Don't know where that came from. The group you refer to ran their own group apart from IHOP tho evidently the leader was also attending there.
You make it sound like IHOP is running a sex camp. If true it would be all over the Evangelical newcasts.
Here is the way the IHOP SCHOOL teaches concerning sexual purity. Note especially what is said at the one minute mark.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Cjd2...o8-tTOmXRQW8rg
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11-23-2013, 07:25 AM
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Re: Misty Edwards Full Concert!
Is This New Age Teaching?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1GAzRHiOyo
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11-23-2013, 10:13 AM
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Re: Misty Edwards Full Concert!
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Working like slaves? IHOP presents it as a spiritual boot camp. They know what they are getting into. If one dreads prayer, Bible study, fasting, and witnessing for Christ it would be a good place to avoid.
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Link has a couple disturbing issues. One is a video of Katie "manifesting God" but really is under the influence and control of another spirit. The other is a story about an intern who left IHOP.
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Bickle claims he's been to Heaven...not once, but twice!
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“The International House of Prayer (IHOP) was founded in 1999 by Mike Bickle, who says that many IHOP teachings draw upon the works of St. John of the Cross and Teresa of Avila, as well as contemporary Catholics including Father Henri Nouwen and Father Thomas Dubay, SM. The IHOP 24 hour prayer room, he says, was inspired by the spiritual practices of Catholic European monks, such as St. Bernard of Clairvaux. ‘I’ve always had a passion for Catholic-Christian unity, and enthusiastically welcome this years Catholic track,’ says Bickle. ‘We may have different religious traditions, but we focus on fellowship, and unity and Jesus being glorified in prayer, worship, and teaching.’”
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"Sigh...pause....pause...pause...'revelation'...si gh.....pause....pause...sigh" Bickle teaching contemplative prayer between 48:00 and the end. False doctrine and new age garbage. He says we pray to God the Father on the throne...but we also pray to God the Holy Spirit inside us. He teaches we should focus on the light while saying 5 repetitive phrases.
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As I recall the killer was not a musician at IHOP. Don't know where that came from. The group you refer to ran their own group apart
from IHOP tho evidently the leader was also attending there.
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IHOP claims they were separate, but he and his group was listed as an IHOP group...until the murder.
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The Star compiled an in-depth look at Deaton and his start as a cult leader.
According to the report,Deaton and his cult members attended IHOP and graduated from the school’s university. There is controversy growing surrounding IHOP’s involvement with Deaton as the Star reports that Deaton’s’ name remained on a handout and website listing of friendship groups orchestrated through IHOP. Deaton served as a “division coordinator.” The Star reports his name remained on the list until Nov. 4,2012; five daysfollowing Bethany Deaton’s murder.
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Moore was a musician who attended and played at IHOP... Link
I'm surprised you would not only promote this cult, but forcefully defend them, in spite of the overwhelming evidence against them. You're quick to speak against McCarthur as a false teacher, but are blinded to the fact that IHOP and Bickle are also deceiving people with their cult.
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