Is modern day Israel really a nation, and a people, established by God? If so, God has established an antichrist nation-people....
Great point. Most USA Christians, influenced by TV blurbs showing the Wailing Wall, suppose Israel is a very religious country. Rather, Israel is a politically secular nation that is ever-aware of their Jewish traditions and history. So, this is to be distinguished from having any kind of "faith in God." Only about 75% of Israel claims to be any sort of Jewish. Of that 75% nominally "jewish," only 53% attempt to keep any kind of Sabbath observance (just one benchmark for identifying what we think of as jewish. ) Or, out of that 75% Jewish, 35% do not believe in God. So, Jewishness is very loosely defined in Israel, and it may only refer to what one's grandparents claimed. You will find a bigger population of "God's Chosen People" in New York City. So, maybe that's where the Messiah will next appear, in NYC, on the east side of Megiddo Street.
Israel is to be supported because they try to protect civil liberties, unlike the Arab mindset of their neighbors. Israel is a defacto secular nation, unlike their neighbors. It should be all about protecting freedom, and not religion. Your biblical interpretations are only that--interpretations.
Gal 3
15 Brethren, I speak in terms of human relations: even though it is only a man’s covenant, yet when it has been ratified, no one sets it aside or adds conditions to it.
16 Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as referring to many, but rather to one, “And to your seed,” that is, Christ.
29 And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s descendants, heirs according to promise.
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Is modern day Israel really a nation, and a people, established by God? If so, God has established an antichrist nation-people, a view which I have trouble accepting.
1Jn 2:22 Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son.
1Jn 4:3 and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.
2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist.
This is what is so dangerous about dispensationalism. We can not tell the future. What if we have it all wrong and we are really persecuting God's chosen? It happened before to the Jews of Jesus's day. They thought they were doing God a favor.
My opinion is that as a nation we need to protect our own borders and stay out of other peoples business. What about our poor, homeless and widows?
So if people want to support Israel then do it with your own money and blood.
Send Israel a check. Join the Israel army. Move there and pay taxes to support the cause. Just don't ask me to support them by using my tax dollars and sending Americas youth to fight their wars.
I read this article today and for some reason I got mad. Israel has done other things in the past that have ignited anger. Is it un christian to get mad at Israel? Do I have to support/bless them no matter what?
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if this is in the wrong forum feel free to move.
I try really hard not to just dismiss something simply because of the source. I saw this is Slate. I almost just replied that you should not believe anything said by that bunch of radical leftist Israel haters.
Then I told myself not to do that. I generally want people to consider the argument then decide if it stands on its own.
I read the article. And...well... This is SLATE. They are not capable of telling actual factual truth. THey MUST say whatever they say in a way that does damage to the things they hate. That is why Slate exists.
I was right in the first place.
Dude, seriously I suppose one can find a reason to be mad at any country. Im mad at the US about right now. I can give you a list of things that make me mad at Canada, Mexico, England, France (boy thats a long list) China, Russia... I know this is just anathama but I have reason to be angry at NORWAY (gasp and dont tell SLATE).
BUT seriously this is hack journalism. The writer is no more a journalist than Peter the Great was a lover a peace and democracy.
Israel has a serious problem with the Bedouins. They have to do something to deal with the issue. What Israel is doing there is less intrusive than what happens in America with immanent domain claims and this issue with the Bedouins is far less intrusive. These people are doing things that would utterly disgust you.
How would you feel if your daughter was kept utterly uneducated, locked up and sold into marriage at very young age? These tribes do this every day.
They are crime riddled and live on the edge of subsistance poverty. They are bringing kids into the world with no better hope than to live in filth and die young.
Then there is the issue of terrorism. These uber poor communities are breeding grounds for radicalism. Left as they are they will eventually be infiltrated by radial muslims looking for hopless kids to strap bombs on themselves and walk into the local diner to end it all!
What you need to do is consider the source and not let dirtbag leftest haters of Israel be your source of education on the state of things in Israel.
good grief.
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So if people want to support Israel then do it with your own money and blood.
Send Israel a check. Join the Israel army. Move there and pay taxes to support the cause. Just don't ask me to support them by using my tax dollars and sending Americas youth to fight their wars.
First of all, no American has gone to fight a war for Israel. None.
Second of all, America has a vested interest in stability in the middle east and Israel is the ONLY democracy in the area.
What money we spend in places like Israel has a direct impact on
1. Stability in the US.
2. Trade that makes America wealthy
3. A point of intelegence gathering that allows us to understand what radical islamists who want to distroy AMERICA are doing.
stop being myopic.
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First of all, no American has gone to fight a war for Israel. None.
Second of all, America has a vested interest in stability in the middle east and Israel is the ONLY democracy in the area.
What money we spend in places like Israel has a direct impact on
1. Stability in the US.
2. Trade that makes America wealthy
3. A point of intelegence gathering that allows us to understand what radical islamists who want to distroy AMERICA are doing.
stop being myopic.
Yeah the old spread democracy reason. All these reasons are used by pro- war people to make money. I use to believe just like you. Then my eyes were opened. I have been to the middle east. I have spoken to people from all over the world on this very subject. What you are fed by the media and government is 100% LIES!
Pentecostals use to believe in pacifism. There is a great thread on this subject on the forum.
So if people want to support Israel then do it with your own money and blood.
Send Israel a check. Join the Israel army. Move there and pay taxes to support the cause. Just don't ask me to support them by using my tax dollars and sending Americas youth to fight their wars.
I guess I missed where America's youth were sent to fight in the 6 day war, or any other Israeli war for that matter. When did this happen?
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