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[tamor]

Originally Posted by Rhoni

Not so. Bi [two] polar [opposite]. There are several types of Bi-Polar and one is often labeled "manic Depressive" as the major problem is chronic depressive symptoms.

Most Bi-Polar clients have mood swings that range from major depressive symptoms to manic or hypo-manic symptoms, happy, elated, flight of ideas, or irritablity, easily angered, unable to control impulses.

Berkley, I am not saying that you are Bi-polar, I would have to do a thorough mental health evaluation, but we always rule out the physical symptoms before proceding to mental illness symptoms.

There are many reasons for mood swings, fatigue, and s/s of depression. Go to a professional before diagnosing yourself.

Blessings, Rhoni

Originally Posted by Rhoni

Actually that is not a symptom of being bi-polar. It is the symptoms of an irresponsible wanna be adult.

I will agree that the jails are full of persons dx. BiPolar. Many have hyop-manic moods which lead to uncontrollable anger and in their inability to calm themselves down they do impulsive things such as destroy property, hit or beat up a spouse, or steal when angered at someone. Some even kill in a jealous rage.

Originally Posted by Rhoni

If you do have a mental illness/chemical imbalance...taking medication is only part of the answer but it is many times necessary to enable one to work on impulse control issues or to decrease the signs and symptoms of depression so one can make good decisions for ones self.

Refusing treatment only leads to worse problems.
Today 07:31 PM

Originally Posted by Rhoni

Being Bipolar and taking medications is no different from being Diabetic and taking insulin. You must take the medications to increase mortality and also the quaility of your life as well as the lives of friends and family.

Exellent points, Rhoni. I'm sure you see this on a regular basis. I have a sister who is bipolar. She is on meds and the difference is daylight and dark when she does not take them or when she starts a new one. It is a very bad situation.

Rhoni~ All good advice~

[sherr34]

Thank You Rhoni

[Trouvere]

Originally Posted by Rhoni

Actually that is not a symptom of being bi-polar. It is the symptoms of an irresponsible wanna be adult.

I will agree that the jails are full of persons dx. BiPolar. Many have hyop-manic moods which lead to uncontrollable anger and in their inability to calm themselves down they do impulsive things such as destroy property, hit or beat up a spouse, or steal when angered at someone. Some even kill in a jealous rage.

Sister Rhoni I never mentioned symptoms.I only mentioned an example.Some people cannot help themselves as you know and when in the manic stage go out and spend their entire paycheck on dumb stuff.Then when they stablize are crying over no money.
One thing that hasn't been said is that crak cocaine makes a bipolor person extremely manic.Usually they hoarde the downers and smoke their check and then spend two or three days in a pill induced stupor coming down.I have seen more than one case of it with ladies we took into our extra house
while we were pastoring.
I will not admit to how much lithium,Xanax,Seroquel,Geodan and Vistaril I give out a night but just say the amount is phenominal.I try to witness to them
all the time.God can deliver.God can help you.Many are backsliders.

[tamor]

Originally Posted by Trouvere

Sister Rhoni I never mentioned symptoms.I only mentioned an example.Some people cannot help themselves as you know and when in the manic stage go out and spend their entire paycheck on dumb stuff.Then when they stablize are crying over no money.
One thing that hasn't been said is that crak cocaine makes a bipolor person extremely manic.Usually they hoarde the downers and smoke their check and then spend two or three days in a pill induced stupor coming down.I have seen more than one case of it with ladies we took into our extra house
while we were pastoring.
I will not admit to how much lithium,Xanax,Seroquel,Geodan and Vistaril I give out a night but just say the amount is phenominal.I try to witness to them
all the time.God can deliver.God can help you.Many are backsliders.

My sister smoked crack for several years, spent time in and out of jail, you name it, she's probably done it. The drug is bad enough in itself, but you are right. I think it's worse for someone who is bipolar.

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by Trouvere

Sister Rhoni I never mentioned symptoms.I only mentioned an example.Some people cannot help themselves as you know and when in the manic stage go out and spend their entire paycheck on dumb stuff.Then when they stablize are crying over no money.
One thing that hasn't been said is that crak cocaine makes a bipolor person extremely manic.Usually they hoarde the downers and smoke their check and then spend two or three days in a pill induced stupor coming down.I have seen more than one case of it with ladies we took into our extra house
while we were pastoring.
I will not admit to how much lithium,Xanax,Seroquel,Geodan and Vistaril I give out a night but just say the amount is phenominal.I try to witness to them
all the time.God can deliver.God can help you.Many are backsliders.

Sis. T.,

The new DSM V will add another Bi-Polar area which is for the Bi-Polar person who has the tendency to more often than not be MANIC. The materials I sent to CC1 was put together by a client of mine who was Manic all the time and used ADHD natural vitamins to bring herself out of mania because she had an allergic reaction to all the psychotropic meds that she was put on.

I honestly have to say that after she went on these natural herbs and vitamins...she came down to a natural level of functioning within 7 days...I was very impressed with the results. Mania has similar characteristics of ADHD in children and adults.

Anyone who would like these materials...feel free to PM.

Blessings, Rhoni

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by tamor

Exellent points, Rhoni. I'm sure you see this on a regular basis. I have a sister who is bipolar. She is on meds and the difference is daylight and dark when she does not take them or when she starts a new one. It is a very bad situation.

This is why it is imperitive to stay in consistent treatment and have a monthly medication review.

I know of a ministry family that denied their son had the diagnosis and refused treatment or for him to take mediation. He is in his early 20's and has been in and out of jail, more in than out for the past 5 years. The hard thing is that medication treatment cannot be regulated within the jail system and when the person gets out...if they do not get put on meds immediately...they get put right back in within 90 days. It is a horrible cycle and hurts the Pastor/minister's ministry for the rest of his/her life.

Yes, God heals mental illness, but there are times he does not. He gives us very competent people to help with medication and therapy to help the individual as well as the families of those who deal with mental illness on a regular basis.

Blessings, Rhoni

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by tamor

My sister smoked crack for several years, spent time in and out of jail, you name it, she's probably done it. The drug is bad enough in itself, but you are right. I think it's worse for someone who is bipolar.

People who are BiPolar often abuse drugs in an effort to self-medicate. This is common. Best to get them the help they need and the right drugs for the symptoms they have the most problems with.

Blessings, Rhoni

[tbpew]

Originally Posted by The Mrs

Bi-polar's notable characteristic isn't so much depression...It's the manic mood swing.

As a person who has been wanting to see God manifest his healing and deliverence among those who are clinically labeled with some neurosis or psychosis, I have been very drawn to persons who can openly discuss their life experience in this realm.

I have had two very close relationships with males that have had a long experience with what is generally termed being "bi-polar".

One who has received the Holy Ghost and one who has not.

My early years with the one who DID profess a receipt of the Holy Ghost were years when he was on Lithium meds. The none-HG professing recipient was not on meds (although for several years he WAS). 10 years later, the participation with medication usage has reversed.

IMO, the Manic behavior drives the person to the precipice; hurling over the cliff into depression...NOT THE REVERSE.

Being a sleep-deprived, superman with fearless confidence and bravado, all the while deficit spending your health, personal relationships and finances, is a certain recipe for deep depression.

I am not any kind of clinical professional, I am a compassionate observer and friend of persons exhibiting certain behaviors. Again, IMO, the manic phase is an extreme in compulsive behavior. It is force that becomes a lying counsel that drives the captive to participate in extreme lust; seeking to possess, to consume, to acquire, to demand, to have, to conquest.

It is spiritual in its origins. My observation of two persons over a decade is that manic behavior will center in activities that have once been a part of the captive's passions and desires.

And just a note:
In one of the two lives (the one I have spent more social time with), superstition (including numerology) is a VERY GREAT consideration in his personal viewing of the world around him. This susceptiblility to misapplying or misinterpreting cosmic instruction had evidence in three (3) different deep manic phases I was personally affected by.

I mention this because of my ponderings; are certain people "leaving large doors open" to the realm of invisible influences?

[Rhoni]

tbpew,

One must be careful not to "overspiritualize" mental illness diagnosis. There are behaviors/sins that are committed by persons with or without mental health diagnosis, as well as physical health problems. The behaviors which are sins come easily to those who are not spirit filled or trained/raised to know right from wrong behaviors.

People who are Bi-Polar, or who suffer from Chronic Depression, or various other mental illnesses are not any more prone to sinful behavior than anyone else. The options for sinful behaviors are manifest in those who are not submitted to Christ's work in their lives. Others who suffer from Mental illness have compulsive behaviors that differ from those who do not have the Holy Spirit to lead and guide them.

I will have to add that Clinical research is based on many things but is not limited to two people that one knows and have observed a few years. Clinical Research also has to be done by the trained eye. I will add that many clinicians, including myself do take reports from family and friends so as to get a better look at the individual one is trying to assess or treat. Just like medical physicians, one has to treat the symptoms and it is often a trial and error until one finds the right combination of drugs and behavioral health methods to accomplish a decrease in symptomatology and an increase in more healthy thinking and behaviors.

Blessings, Rhoni