As a Latina who 'passes' as white (light skin, no accent, married to a white guy) I can promise you that racism is alive and kickin' in this country. It is not the 'problems of the past' that are at issue... it is the problems of today. Most people are, at their core, racist. And I've had a birds eye view of just how people who claim to not be racist act when they are with their 'own kind'.
Sadly enough, the church is the last bastion and stronghold of racism. It seems that only in church is it just OK to have no one in attendance of another color.
I think better markers of measuring your sincere acceptance of other races as equal are to ask yourself why you do not now or did not (if you did not) date across racial lines when you were single, why you attend a church that is at least 90% your own color, live in an area that is not racially mixed or send your kids to school with kids that all look like them... Because if you do these things, chances are you are part of the problem, not the solution and no amount of saying how you believe that people are equal will change that.
I don't believe this is actually fair.
If the school is under-performing, that is always a consideration for any parent. As a matter of fact, every Realtor knows this is a consideration for a family looking to purchase. It's not always based on skin color.
I also don't think it is fair to enforce a dating prerequisite on anyone - date outside of your race. Why is that so important to keep up race relations? Why don't we just allow a person to chose their mate and teach being friendly? After all, it is a Christian virtue.
If you are following God's will for your life, what if that church has a larger percentage of one color over the other? If where we worship is where we believe God has sent us, do we then blame God?
A lot of factors, i.e. job availability, could be involved in where you live and work.
And finally, I feel a very good percentage of Americans want to help their neighbors. That has shown to be true during disaster situations. Hey, even NYC stop honking their horns for a few days. LOL!
I believe a better part of America is not racist. I believe people are offended by boorish people, which can easily be misconstrued for being a racist. I am not racist against illegals. We know quite a few honest illegals here on work visas, but I don't like criminal illegals. Big difference.
I think better markers of measuring your sincere acceptance of other races as equal are to ask yourself why you do not now or did not (if you did not) date across racial lines when you were single, why you attend a church that is at least 90% your own color, live in an area that is not racially mixed or send your kids to school with kids that all look like them... Because if you do these things, chances are you are part of the problem, not the solution and no amount of saying how you believe that people are equal will change that.
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If the school is under-performing, that is always a consideration for any parent. As a matter of fact, every Realtor knows this is a consideration for a family looking to purchase. It's not always based on skin color.
I also don't think it is fair to enforce a dating prerequisite on anyone - date outside of your race. Why is that so important to keep up race relations? Why don't we just allow a person to chose their mate and teach being friendly? After all, it is a Christian virtue.
If you are following God's will for your life, what if that church has a larger percentage of one color over the other? If where we worship is where we believe God has sent us, do we then blame God?
A lot of factors, i.e. job availability, could be involved in where you live and work.
And finally, I feel a very good percentage of Americans want to help their neighbors. That has shown to be true during disaster situations. Hey, even NYC stop honking their horns for a few days. LOL!
I believe a better part of America is not racist. I believe people are offended by boorish people, which can easily be misconstrued for being a racist. I am not racist against illegals. We know quite a few honest illegals here on work visas, but I don't like criminal illegals. Big difference.
What I've found in my 50 years as a white looking Latina is that people say they are A-OK with other races because it is now the ONLY acceptable thing to say (look at Paula)... but really they would never date outside their race or would at least completely exclude some races, they would not be happy to find their child dating or marrying certain races, they are not truly comfortable in schools, workplaces, or even churches unless the large majority of people are the same race as them... and when they are where they feel it is acceptable... well they are NOT Ferd.
I've heard tons of 'dirty Mexican' comments all my life because people think I'm white and my hispanic family, while minority themselves, for the most part hated blacks and would never have accepted me dating or marrying a black man ... Of my five, I have three children that have very fair color and have light eyes and two that are 'throwbacks' with much darker skin than me and look Hispanic... they have received unkind treatment at our 'Christian' school and been called racial names. Both are bright, gifted young men with excellent educations... and they still get shabby treatment. Racism is not dead in the country by a long shot... and some of the measures I've give of how it still exists are just that... measures.
BTW... the pastor from our huge UPC church would not marry a bi-racial couple even though both were HG filled believers but he'll tell anyone who will listen he's not 'prejudice', ROFL!
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What I've found in my 50 years as a white looking Latina is that people say they are A-OK with other races because it is now the ONLY acceptable thing to say (look at Paula)... but really they would never date outside their race or would at least completely exclude some races, they would not be happy to find their child dating or marrying certain races, they are not truly comfortable in schools, workplaces, or even churches unless the large majority of people are the same race as them... and when they are where they feel it is acceptable... well they are NOT Ferd.
I've heard tons of 'dirty Mexican' comments all my life because people think I'm white and my hispanic family, while minority themselves, for the most part hated blacks and would never have accepted me dating or marrying a black man ... Of my five, I have three children that have very fair color and have light eyes and two that are 'throwbacks' with much darker skin than me and look Hispanic... they have received unkind treatment at our 'Christian' school and been called racial names. Both are bright, gifted young men with excellent educations... and they still get shabby treatment. Racism is not dead in the country by a long shot... and some of the measures I've give of how it still exists are just that... measures.
BTW... the pastor from our huge UPC church would not marry a bi-racial couple even though both were HG filled believers but he'll tell anyone who will listen he's not 'prejudice', ROFL!
Terry Black told my husband and I that no matter what he would not have married us if we were to have been in his church and dating He ended the statement (as to the shocked look on my husbands and my face) with ...." I am not prejudice, I just personally feel like MIXED couples have too many problems that lead them into divorce and then having kids that will suffer from being in a mixed family"~ Looking back on that day, my husband tells me , we should have walked out and never came back to that church! In my previous statement where I said my kids have caught slack from white kids and blacks as well in the past......yea maybe so, but they have NEVER "suffered" or anything negative from being born to a black father and an American Indian mother...... Such ignorance makes my blood boil!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And you are so very correct in saying racism is ALIVE, WELL, and KICKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
May the sun bring you new energy by day, the moon softly restore you by night, may the rain wash away your worries, may the breeze blow new strength into your being, may you walk gently through the world and know it's beauty all the days of your life~
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Terry Black told my husband and I that no matter what he would not have married us if we were to have been in his church and dating He ended the statement (as to the shocked look on my husbands and my face) with ...." I am not prejudice, I just personally feel like MIXED couples have too many problems that lead them into divorce and then having kids that will suffer from being in a mixed family"~ Looking back on that day, my husband tells me , we should have walked out and never came back to that church! In my previous statement where I said my kids have caught slack from white kids and blacks as well in the past......yea maybe so, but they have NEVER "suffered" or anything negative from being born to a black father and an American Indian mother...... Such ignorance makes my blood boil!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And you are so very correct in saying racism is ALIVE, WELL, and KICKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
you should have told TB that he was right, he wasnt prejudice, that he was a racist, THEN walked out and never gone back. God bless you, your husband and your wonderful kids.
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Terry Black told my husband and I that no matter what he would not have married us if we were to have been in his church and dating He ended the statement (as to the shocked look on my husbands and my face) with ...." I am not prejudice, I just personally feel like MIXED couples have too many problems that lead them into divorce and then having kids that will suffer from being in a mixed family"~ Looking back on that day, my husband tells me , we should have walked out and never came back to that church! In my previous statement where I said my kids have caught slack from white kids and blacks as well in the past......yea maybe so, but they have NEVER "suffered" or anything negative from being born to a black father and an American Indian mother...... Such ignorance makes my blood boil!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And you are so very correct in saying racism is ALIVE, WELL, and KICKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My wife is Black and I am white, The pastor didn't know I was white til a day or so before wedding because I flew out from Cali to east coast. He really didn't want to do it saying he wasn't going to announce it to the church anymore. I don't beleive he is racist, he just influenced by a mindset or church culture maybe. His asst is black, has married black/white couple with announcement since ours.
Funny thing is that telling a wm and bw couple they will have a hard time making it doesn't match up to stats, they are 43% less likely to divorce then all white couples.
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Today pull up the little weeds,
The sinful thoughts subdue,
Or they will take the reins themselves
And someday master you. --Anon.
The most deadly sins do not leap upon us, they creep up on us.
I think better markers of measuring your sincere acceptance of other races as equal are to ask yourself why you do not now or did not (if you did not) date across racial lines when you were single, why you attend a church that is at least 90% your own color, live in an area that is not racially mixed or send your kids to school with kids that all look like them... Because if you do these things, chances are you are part of the problem, not the solution and no amount of saying how you believe that people are equal will change that.
So, if you marry someone of your own race, and live in an area where most of the people are the same race as yourself, including your church, and your children attend a school where most of the students are the same race... then you are a racist?
What a bunch of bunkum.
Has anybody ever thought that pushing all this 'anti racism' might be tending to create a backlash among some people?
My wife is the same race as myself. If anyone doesn't like that too bad for them.
My neighborhood happens to be mostly white. If anyone doesn't like that too bad for them.
My children are homeschooled and any 'school' argument is dead in the water there.
We home church but when we did 'attend services' we went where truth was being preached as far as we could tell at the time. Oh, yeah, it happens that most of those churches were mostly white as well. Guess what? Too bad for anyone who don't like that.
I remember attending Abundant Life Church, with Walter Hallam as pastor (they're on tv, look 'em up). Side note: Hallam was raised apostolic, decided there was more money in being a charismatic is my guess...
Anyway, one night he was preaching about church growth (what else, right?) and said 'we need more black people in this church!' People came to their feet and applauded and amen'd and all that.
He said 'we need more Hispanic people in this church!' Another rousing round of amens and 'preach it' and all that.
He said 'we need more Oriental people in this church!' He was on a roll, people were shouting and stomping and it was like 'ole time revival' in the place!
He said 'we need more white people in this church!'
You could hear a pin drop, I kid you not. TOTAL SILENCE.
He said 'Come on, stay with me now, we need more white people in this church too, amen!'
There were a few quiet 'amens' and he quickly went on to something else.
So, if you marry someone of your own race, and live in an area where most of the people are the same race as yourself, including your church, and your children attend a school where most of the students are the same race... then you are a racist?
What a bunch of bunkum.
Has anybody ever thought that pushing all this 'anti racism' might be tending to create a backlash among some people?
My wife is the same race as myself. If anyone doesn't like that too bad for them.
My neighborhood happens to be mostly white. If anyone doesn't like that too bad for them.
My children are homeschooled and any 'school' argument is dead in the water there.
We home church but when we did 'attend services' we went where truth was being preached as far as we could tell at the time. Oh, yeah, it happens that most of those churches were mostly white as well. Guess what? Too bad for anyone who don't like that.
I remember attending Abundant Life Church, with Walter Hallam as pastor (they're on tv, look 'em up). Side note: Hallam was raised apostolic, decided there was more money in being a charismatic is my guess...
Anyway, one night he was preaching about church growth (what else, right?) and said 'we need more black people in this church!' People came to their feet and applauded and amen'd and all that.
He said 'we need more Hispanic people in this church!' Another rousing round of amens and 'preach it' and all that.
He said 'we need more Oriental people in this church!' He was on a roll, people were shouting and stomping and it was like 'ole time revival' in the place!
He said 'we need more white people in this church!'
You could hear a pin drop, I kid you not. TOTAL SILENCE.
He said 'Come on, stay with me now, we need more white people in this church too, amen!'
There were a few quiet 'amens' and he quickly went on to something else.
I learned a lot that day about 'racism'.
why would they get mad about him saying we need more white people?
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Today pull up the little weeds,
The sinful thoughts subdue,
Or they will take the reins themselves
And someday master you. --Anon.
The most deadly sins do not leap upon us, they creep up on us.
The church my father pastored had a majority of white people. He's not racist. We did the door to door invitations on Saturdays and invited anyone and everyone we came in contact with, including other races.
The first black couple we had to come to our church and later join the church, stated that after they came, their former pastor (who was black) came to their home to visit them. He told them he was concerned by their leaving to join a "white church"; that they needed to "stick together" with "their own folk" and worship. He said the church my father pastored was racist and didn't like blacks; which, he reasoned, was why they were the only black couple in the church. He said the "white church" wasn't good enough to address the issues black folk face.
In testimony of the man's character, he stood up, thanked his former pastor for coming and told him he didn't appreciate his characterization of the church; that he found no evidence which backed up the pastors claims. He noted that the man never once met or spoke with my father.
I guess you can say we experienced a different kind of racism.
The school I went to was an ACE school our church administered. It was open only to the members of our church. As such, it had a majority of white kids. Doesn't mean the church, my parents or myself are racist.
I married a white girl. I dated mostly white girls, although I did date a Hispanic girl and a Vietnamese girl. Even absent dating the Hispanic and Vietnamese girls, I wouldn't be racist for dating white girls.
I grew up in a neighborhood with mostly white neighbors. Does that make my family or I racist -- absolutely not!
I resent the comment that because of the above I'm "part of the problem and not the solution." It's absurd.
The church I'm involved in now is majority Hispanic. The Pastor and most of the members are Hispanic. My family (wife, child and I) are among the only white people there. Is my pastor racist for not having more white or black members? Absolutely not!
I fellowship with a local PAW church nearby; attending their special services and some Sunday evening services. Most of the time I'm the only white person in that church. I love that church and Pastor, they've welcomed me every time I've visited. Is that Pastor racist for not having a single white or Hispanic member? Not from my experience with this man or his church.
I could go on and on, but won't. The statement is just absurd.
He ended the statement (as to the shocked look on my husbands and my face) with ...." I am not prejudice, I just personally feel like MIXED couples have too many problems that lead them into divorce and then having kids that will suffer from being in a mixed family"~ Looking back on that day, my husband tells me , we should have walked out and never came back to that church! In my previous statement where I said my kids have caught slack from white kids and blacks as well in the past......yea maybe so, but they have NEVER "suffered" or anything negative from being born to a black father and an American Indian mother......
Such ignorance makes my blood boil!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And you are so very correct in saying racism is ALIVE, WELL, and KICKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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