Predestined for Glorification

[Aquila]

And it should be noted... with regards to the subject of predestination, every though, word, and deed of every human (and it's repercussions) being has been prerecorded in Heaven in accordance to God's foreknowledge. All that is written in the book of records will come to pass.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Are you saying one need not do the will of God to have eternal life? The cross is sufficient (the blood) for our forgiveness. But it will not excuse sin unpented of.

We can only do the will of God, because we have eternal life. If the church would preach the true Good News, then folks would believe and walk it out.

But because they have been taught that they have to "do the will of God" to GET eternal life, they don't believe they can ever do enough, therefore they are in a vicious cycle of performance AND FAILURE, WHICH PRODUCES CONDEMNATION. Never able to attain what the church SAYS is a free gift.

YOU CANNOT DO THE WILL OF GOD, UNTIL YOU FULLY ACCEPT THAT YOU ARE THE RIGHTEOUS OF GOD. AND THAT MY FRIEND IS ONLY POSSIBLE BY EXCEPTING THE FINISH WORK OF CHRIST, AS ENOUGH, PERIOD!!

ALL OTHER EFFORTS ARE WILLPOWER AND FIFTHLY RAGS.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Not a single scripture

So what, doesn't mean it is not truth.

[navygoat1998]

Originally Posted by crakjak

So what, doesn't mean it is not truth.

We condemn people to hell with man made rules with no scriptural support.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

While the blood of Yeshua Christ is sufficient to accomplish what it was meant for (to forgive sin) the Spirit of God is sufficient to do what IT was meant to do.

To overcome sin!

12 Therefore , brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. 13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die : but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live . Rom. 8:12-13

The blood and the spirit work together in salvation, not separately.

You haven't overcome sin, nor will you completely in this life. IF SO, there would be nothing to endure and overcome. ONLY POSSIBLE WAY TO OVERCOME IS FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT OF FAITH, IN THE FINISHED WORK OF CHRIST.
We certainly will mature and become more and more Christlike, as a natural outflowing of our faith, that HE has made us righteous. But focus on not sinning and straining thru willpower to be good, and sin will be enpowered to condemn you.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by navygoat1998

We condemn people to hell with man made rules with no scriptural support.

Or our own interpetation of scripture!! The Jewish religious leaders used the scriptures all the time, and it is they that Jesus rebuked, almost exclusively!!

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Water or Sea? Big difference and "water" is singular

Well, good point; I guess 'waters' might be more closely associated with the 'sea' euphemism. I agree w/Esaias.

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by crakjak

...But because they have been taught that they have to "do the will of God" to GET eternal life, they don't believe they can ever do enough, therefore they are in a vicious cycle of performance AND FAILURE, WHICH PRODUCES CONDEMNATION. Never able to attain what the church SAYS is a free gift.

The result of the doctrine of Original Sin.

Originally Posted by navygoat1998

We condemn people to hell with man made rules with no scriptural support.

yup. More OS.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by crakjak

We can only do the will of God, because we have eternal life.

If this is true, then regeneration comes BEFORE repentance and belief, and they are the product of regeneration.

If that is true, then those who do not repent and believe, are not regenerated.

Many die without repentance and belief in the gospel.

Therefore, many die without being regenerated.

To not be regenerated is to perish and NOT ENTER THE KINGDOM OF GOD, for 'UNLESS' one is regenerated, one CANNOT enter the kingdom of God.

Therefore, those who die without regeneration are LOST and CANNOT ENTER GOD'S KINGDOM.

Thus, universalism is overthrown by it's own proponents LOL.