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Old 05-30-2007, 05:21 PM
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The Hebrew Tradition
Dance was an integral part of the celebrations of the ancient Israelites. It was used both in worship in ordinary life and on occasions of triumphant victory and festivity.
The sacred dance mediated between God and humanity, thus bringing the Israelites into a closer relationship with their God, Jehovah.
In many Old Testament biblical allusions to, and descriptions of, dance there is no disapproval, only affirmation of this medium of worship. The people are exhorted to praise God with 'dancing, making melody to him with timbrel and lyre' (Psalm 149:3), and to 'praise him with timbrel and dance' (Psalm 150:4). Dancing is so common that in passages alluding to rejoicing without specific mention of dancing, it can be assumed dance is implied (Gagne 1984:24).
The most frequently used root for the word 'dance' in the Old Testament is hul which refers to the whirl of the dance and implies highly active movement. Of the 44 words in the Hebrew language for dancing, only in one is there a possible reference to secular movement as distinct from religious dancing (Clarke and Crisp 1981:35).
The types of dance used in Israelite society included the circular or ring dance, as well as the processional dance. These were often used to celebrate specific events as when David and the people of Israel danced before the Ark of the Lord, which represented the presence of God (2 Samuel 6:14).
A third type of dance included hopping and whirling movements which were exuberant with joy. At the defeat of Pharaoh's armies following the crossing of the Red Sea, 'Miriam, the prophetess, the sister of Aaron, took a timbrel in her hand; and all the women went out after her with timbrels and with dances' (Exodus 15:20). When David slew Goliath, the women sang 'to one another in dance' (1 Samuel 29:5).
Each of these forms of dance found an expression in daily life and at festival times. At the Feast of Tabernacles, for instance, 'pious men danced with torches in their hands and sang songs of joy and praise, while the Levites played all sorts of instruments. The dance drew crowds of spectators ... It did not end until the morning at a given sign' (Gagne 1984:30). The revered tradition of community celebration found its expression through movement.
However, dance is not mentioned formally in the Mosaic code, nor was the movement free of certain prohibitions. A distinction came to be made between the early, holy dances of a sacred nature, and those which resembled pagan ceremonies. This distinction, made by the Israelites, was to be made even more sharply by the Christians in the following centuries.
The Early Christian Church (A.D. 100-500)
In the first five centuries of the Christian church 'dance was still acceptable because it was planted deep in the soil of the Judeo-Christian tradition' (Gagne 1984:43). Christians were accustomed to celebrating, in dance, at worship and festivals because of the Hebrew tradition of dance.
Christianity was also subjected to the prevailing social and political influences of the Roman Empire. Changing circumstances in the 4th century thus led to changes in the importance and meaning of dance as well as in the dance material used in Christian liturgy. In the course of the history of theatre and dance, Christianity shaped and proscribed new developments. Although seemingly restrictive in these early centuries, 'the church actually created a context for new flowerings of social, theatrical and religious dance' (Fallon and Wolbers 1982:9).
The New Testament gives few direct references to dance. 'But even this points to a possible parallel of the Jewish tradition of presuming the presence of dance without the need to mention it explicitly' (Gagne 1984:35). Evidence of the use of dance as an accepted expression of joy is reflected in Jesus' comment, 'We piped to you but you did not dance' (Matthew 11:17). Similarly, in Jesus' parable of the prodigal son there was dancing and rejoicing on the son's return to his home (Luke 15:25).
Paul reminds Christians that their bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit and that they should glorify God with their bodies (1 Corinthians 6:19-20). He further indicates physical movement is an approved part of prayer-like expression when he exhorts Timothy to pray lifting up holy hands (1 Timothy 2:8). The biblical stance for most prayers included raising arms and hands above the head (1 Timothy 2:8). In prayers of confession, kneeling or prostration was common, and in thanksgiving prayers or intercession standing with arms raised was common (Adams 1975:4).
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Old 05-30-2007, 05:22 PM
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In my office at church, I hear the youth singing (loudly)

Lord I Give You my heart, I give You my soul
I live for You alone
Every breath that I take, every moment I'm awake
Lord have Your way in me

I could dance right now
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Old 05-30-2007, 05:23 PM
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Great post Ron. Folks you should try this....dance when your alone with God.
Been there done that. Love it. Just me and Him...
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Old 05-30-2007, 05:25 PM
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Ok, I don't think it is wrong either, but we were ALWAYS taught in UPC that it was "flesh" if you weren't "dancing in the Spirit". I'm just saying that 16 years ago, this would never have been accepted. If you have been in UPC all this time, you have probably not noticed the gradual progression. Being gone all these years, it was very obvious.
Right, and what was the determining factor? I believe it was in the spirit if it was totally out of control, and not in the spirit if it had any flow or control in it?
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Old 05-30-2007, 05:29 PM
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Some of us are not fans of the dancing that is done to the beat of the music only.......where there is no worship.......just like anything else.....
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Old 05-30-2007, 05:32 PM
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Bingo.

The heavens don't have to open and the waters don't have to part.

I'm gonna do it because I want to do it... because he's made me happy.
That's the way I see it. Not choregraphed, and heh, heh, not too gracefull,
but I do it for him!
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Old 05-30-2007, 05:34 PM
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I am a dancer, and I love it, choreographed or non-choreographed. I love it all and I'm glad that UPC is finally accepting it as valid. I was just surprised; that's all.
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Old 05-30-2007, 05:35 PM
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Some of us are not fans of the dancing that is done to the beat of the music only.......where there is no worship.......just like anything else.....

True, but how does one make that determination?

I agree that some ""dancing"" is sensual & carnal, but that does not detract in someone so focused on the Lord, breaking into a dance-just because.

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Old 05-30-2007, 05:53 PM
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True, but how does one make that determination?

I agree that some ""dancing"" is sensual & carnal, but that does not detract in someone so focused on the Lord, breaking into a dance-just because.

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I agree... but the opening post made it very clear that it was NOT a work of the spirit..........
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I agree... but the opening post made it very clear that it was NOT a work of the spirit..........
I was always under the impression that dancing (unto the Lord) was the work of a human being worshipping God.
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