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05-30-2007, 11:35 AM
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To put it very succinctly, "It takes two to tango." Some folks absolutely marry badly, some choose misery and others decide it is not worth it. Some situations are so bad that it is not good for any concerned. This is true of all relationships, there is a time to admit I am better off without this relationship.
When a relative told me that her drunken husband held a gun to her head and threaten to blow it off, I told her she was better off without him.
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This is so hard. It's hard to reconcile the truth you've just posted with what the Word says. I would have a hard time telling someone to stay in an abusive relationship.
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05-30-2007, 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by crakjak
To put it very succinctly, "It takes two to tango." Some folks absolutely marry badly, some choose misery and others decide it is not worth it. Some situations are so bad that it is not good for any concerned. This is true of all relationships, there is a time to admit I am better off without this relationship.
When a relative told me that her drunken husband held a gun to her head and threaten to blow it off, I told her she was better off without him.
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So, if you believe it takes two to tango do you really believe that in all situations? What did this relative do that "caused" her drunken husband to do this?
Sometimes, it really doesn't take two.
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05-30-2007, 11:37 AM
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This is so hard. It's hard to reconcile the truth you've just posted with what the Word says. I would have a hard time telling someone to stay in an abusive relationship.
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The discussion has been all about marriage- PP you asked about jobs, and church, and organization.
Which of the four did you mean to discuss?
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05-30-2007, 11:38 AM
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Can a person change so drastically that you would choose to break fellowship with them? If your job changed it's expectations of you, how long would it take for you to quit? If your church slipped into liberality, how long before you leave?
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I believe if a person is walking in intimate relationship with the Lord, aka walking in the spirit and not the flesh, they will know when and if the relationship has any hope of restoration or maturing. Some are looking for reasons because they are immature and lacking character. God can change any situation, but it will require tough love in many cases, and sometimes folks are determined to walk in destruction. Some lack the fortitude to confront dysfunction.
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05-30-2007, 11:39 AM
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Can a person change so drastically that you would choose to break fellowship with them?
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Yes.
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If your job changed it's expectations of you, how long would it take for you to quit?
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It would depend on whether or not I could fulfill the expectations, and/or whether or not I would be compensated accordingly and fairly.
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If your church slipped into liberality, how long before you leave?
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It would depend on the specific issues in question, but if certain doctrinal lines were crossed (according to the things my husband and I have agreed upon), we would leave immediately. We consider those lines to be drawn in what is taught and preached over the pulpit and in classrooms. Private and personal viewpoints don't really count...because they can change over the years.
"Immediately" is mainly because we have children who are more impressionable than we are.
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05-30-2007, 11:40 AM
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Can a person change so drastically that you would choose to break fellowship with them? If your job changed it's expectations of you, how long would it take for you to quit? If your church slipped into liberality, how long before you leave?
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I believe that a person can change so drastically that you would choose to break fellowship.
I believe that a job situation could change or your outlook/need/payoff in that job could change enough to make a break.
I also believe your walk with God could change enough to choose to break fellowship also.
Only you and God know when the time is right.
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05-30-2007, 11:40 AM
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The discussion has been all about marriage- PP you asked about jobs, and church, and organization.
Which of the four did you mean to discuss?
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What's the problem, BOOM? He's using them as hypothetical examples.
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05-30-2007, 11:41 AM
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What's the problem, BOOM? He's using them as hypothetical examples.
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I can see he's probably wanting more of a discussion on the other situations than making this a divorce thread.
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05-30-2007, 11:41 AM
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The discussion has been all about marriage- PP you asked about jobs, and church, and organization.
Which of the four did you mean to discuss?
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Marriage was just a segway, but if they want to talk about it - fine by me. Maybe it'll be therapeutic for those who have been hurt?
I think the questions I posed were worthy of more play though.
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05-30-2007, 11:43 AM
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Marriage was just a segway, but if they want to talk about it - fine by me. Maybe it'll be therapeutic for those who have been hurt?
I think the questions I posed were worthy of more play though.
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I think talking about divorce with undivorced people can be unproductive at times.
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