I have a problem with a U.S. citizen being killed on suspicion of treason without clear evidence.
Yes, and the Constitution does provide for those two witnesses.
I do agree with, Scotty - "I would say the evidence (being in association with terrorist) was clear. You have two options, leave him be, or go in and get him and bring him out for trial, which as the article states would possibly cost the lives of soilders. Therefore, you kill him. "
What you guys are essentially saying is that an American citizen on foreign soil has less rights than an American citizen on American soil.
Does leaving the country mean one loses rights?
PO, you would be fine with it if your son talked to a terrorist in a market while traveling overseas, was considered guilty of treason by association and summarily assassinated? Without evidence? Based on the suspicion by a couple of guys in the field?
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
Isn't hanging out in a home with known terrorist, in a hostile country not evidence ?
I have Muslim acquaintances. What if they are sleepers and I don't know it? What if the government places me under suspicion and slates me for assassination because they think I'm cahoots with them? Don't you think if my friends are actually terrorists that my knowledge of that should have to be PROVEN before I'm taken out as a co-conspirator?
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
I don't have a problem with the U.S. government deciding what the punishment for treason should be. I have a problem with them deciding someone is guilty of treason and carrying out that punishment without clear evidence.
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
What you guys are essentially saying is that an American citizen on foreign soil has less rights than an American citizen on American soil.
Does leaving the country mean one loses rights?
PO, you would be fine with it if your son talked to a terrorist in a market while traveling overseas, was considered guilty of treason by association and summarily assassinated? Without evidence? Based on the suspicion by a couple of guys in the field?
As Scotty stated - "Isn't hanging out in a home with known terrorist, in a hostile country not evidence ?"
Speaking with someone in a market is more of a lame scenario than the one that Scotty provided.
So, if my son is in the home of a known terrorist, he better be involved with the government in a covert operation in some way or he is going to be dead meat.
I am in the middle. I have no issue at all with a drone attack taking out Anwr Al Alaki. That dude was evil and needed to die FAST.
He was an American. He was not in America. He was in another country where we had no access to capture him. He was actively trying to murder Americans.
Dude needed to die. We better all get a better understanding that these muslim extremists want to exterminate all of us as quickly has they can. Their place of birth not withstanding.
At the same time, I am very distressed with the secretive nature of this administration and their refusal to publish the detail of what this actually means in practice.
We need law not fiat by the executive to govern the action. Obama disregards the contitutional requirement to use law and he governs by fiat even when it thwarts both law and constitution. This has happened many times, and no one seems to care.
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My father didn't need a drone to get his horses back. When a "new" neighboring rancher was holding his horses until my father paid a fine, he took his gun with him and got his horses back.
I still have no problem with this.
I also have no problem with your father's way either.
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In fact I think that the insinuation of "hateful" Pentecostals is coming mostly from the fertile imaginations of bitter, backslidden ex Apostolics who are constantly trying to find a way to justify their actions. ~ strait shooter
As Scotty stated - "Isn't hanging out in a home with known terrorist, in a hostile country not evidence ?"
Speaking with someone in a market is more of a lame scenario than the one that Scotty provided.
So, if my son is in the home of a known terrorist, he better be involved with the government in a covert operation in some way or he is going to be dead meat.
Easy to say.
Okay, we'll go with "in a home." It is still quite possible for an American citizen to be innocent and be unaware of the activities of the terrorist. At the very least, shouldn't that innocence be presumed until it has been proven otherwise? "Known terrorist" is a subjective term, anyway. Who memorizes lists of terrorists--and their faces and aliases? My husband's cousin does overseas charity work and interacts with people in *hostile* areas all the time. I suppose if he accidentally walks into the wrong home and is assassinated, that's his fault? The government is perfectly within their rights to take him out based on suspicion? I attend a church with two retired missionaries and their wives. They have definitely visited hostile areas and been in the homes of people whose background is probably only minimally known.
So, does leaving the country mean one loses rights?
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
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