B.R. Hicks and Christ Gospel International

[Steve Epley]

Women in the ministry and Bernice are two different subjects. She is a cult leader not a godly lady who might be mistaken.

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

It is my experience that women pastors are unbiblical. There were women teachers, and perhaps even preachers of the gospel, but a women's place was never meant to supersede those of her husband.

I see what Sis. Alvear is doing as a perfect example of a woman in ministry. She preaches and teaches, but ultimately she is under the leadership of her husband. She lives the great example of how a woman should have a role in ministry, I think.

I have seen women pastors who have churches full of sissified men, and it is sickening. I have seen woman pastors who have caused so much destruction and turmoil because they have not stayed within the guidelines, and boundaries set up by the early church. We never see a woman in a leadership role, but you do see Aquila and Priscilla mentioned as leaders in the church, but never do you see Priscilla mentioned alone, she is always mentioned with her husband. We see Chloe who was a deaconness, which would be like a teaching/preaching position perhaps today in our culture, but we do not ever see a woman named to be a bishop, presiding over a group of men.

I believe there is a place for women in ministry, but it should be a place where their role complements their husband, but never detracts, subtracts or divides.

I agree with this.
Sometimes I would rather have a woman to minister to me under certain circumstances. But never pastor over me in the sense of what pastors do in today's culture.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

I agree with this.
Sometimes I would rather have a woman to minister to me under certain circumstances. But never pastor over me in the sense of what pastors do in today's culture.

I won't even let a MAN pastor over me like so many have in the past. In fact in some ways if a pastor is going to be a tyrant I would rather it be a lady, then I can just complement her for "being pretty today!" and get her off my back.

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

I won't even let a MAN pastor over me like so many have in the past. In fact in some ways if a pastor is going to be a tyrant I would rather it be a lady, then I can just complement her for "being pretty today!" and get her off my back.

So true RW! The only "man" biblically over me is my husband, and any other ministry biblically should come through him first, not circumvent my husband and come to me.

That is another biblical concept completely lost in the OP churches that I was a part of anyway. They would counsel women without their husbands present, and tell them to line up to the preacher, no matter what their husbands thought.

My mother is still in that position today, and is as miserable as she can possibly be. My dad left to attend another pentecostal church in town, but the pastor of the church she attends has scared her so bad, she won't go to church with my dad to a "lesser" church... when that "lesser" church believes the very same doctrine - oneness, holiness living, Acts 2 salvation and so on... but because the pastor has scared my mother so bad, she won't leave him because she believes she will be saved under the pastor's leadership rather than her husband's. This is the mentality that saddens me, and that is so wrong.

So thankful that I know that it is my husband I answer to first, before any other man... and I need not come under any other leadership except through my husband... and that is Bible. 1 Cor. 11:3 "The head of every man is Christ: and the head of the woman is the man, and the head of Christ is God."

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

I agree with this.
Sometimes I would rather have a woman to minister to me under certain circumstances. But never pastor over me in the sense of what pastors do in today's culture.

I agree. A woman's role in ministry can be very powerful... but easily misused and when it goes outside the boundaries of what we see in the early church, we see only devastation left in its wake.

Yet we see a woman with a humble heart working beside her husband, teaching, preaching the gospel, ministering, and teaching to others.... it is there you can see the way God intended women to minister.... I am thinking of our sweet Sis. Alvear when I say this...

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

I won't even let a MAN pastor over me like so many have in the past. In fact in some ways if a pastor is going to be a tyrant I would rather it be a lady, then I can just complement her for "being pretty today!" and get her off my back.

Women can be as much as a tyrant as a man can be...probably more so.

Just the fact that a compliment of being pretty can get her off your back alone is why she would make a lousy pastor.

[Scott Hutchinson]

I could be wrong but I think this group believes in universalism.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

I could be wrong but I think this group believes in universalism.

Hmmm I am not aware of that. If its true we need to know.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Hmmm I am not aware of that. If its true we need to know.

I do know at one time she was teaching that at least for a season however it is very difficult to nail down anything she teaches because she is always getting new revelations that contradict her last revelations.

[kclee4jc]

Universalism as in?