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Old 09-14-2012, 09:38 PM
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Re: Mark Levin on the Possibility of a Third Party

Just putting this out for what it is worth. It is how I feel.

After the strong arming during the primaries, and at the Republican Convention -shutting down dissent in the future - I am not happy with that and feel that both current parties are holding us hostage.

Gary Johnson is probably on 50 state ballots. (not 100% yet, at least 47)

Goode is on 40 state ballots. 40 states still represents 470 electorates. It takes 270 to win.

So, even if nobody wins and the election is split, it is forced to a brokered convention (congress).

Today, this election - it is a win, lose or draw.

We have four outcomes.

1. Obama
2. Romney
3. A Johnson (Libertarian) or Goode (Constitution Party) win
4. Romney loses and the GOP runs to the conservatives to save it.

Even if the 3rd party guys don't win but register high numbers, it changes the future of politics.

So, in my opinion, today is the day to change the future no matter the outcome of the election.

There are many that are voting third party because they don't believe that Romney can win, and they don't want to throw away their vote. I happen to believe that Romney can't win, therefore, I will vote the Constitution Party. Our goal is to defeat Obama with a true Conservative in order to save our country.

Right now there is a lawsuit represented in every state to allow a write-in vote. The case, if the judge follows the law, must be heard within ten days of filing - today the case was filed.

We can't allow these two parties to hold us hostage to their whims. We must be a free people.
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Old 09-14-2012, 09:41 PM
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Not every lose is a defeat. Not every win is a victory.
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Re: Mark Levin on the Possibility of a Third Party

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Not every lose is a defeat. Not every win is a victory.

But PO, the problem is, some folks don't know the difference. awe, that's enough!

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Old 09-21-2012, 10:12 AM
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Musings on why a third party option is for me.

By winning enough electors to deny 270 to Obama and Romney, we force the election into Congress. The establishment on both sides of the aisle will want to throw it to Obama or Romney. Since we know that under ordinary circumstances this race goes to Obama, this may actually make Romney the POTUS, which should satisfy the detractors who call us Obama-supporters.

However, there are some real conservatives and Tea Party GOP who have been bullied and silenced by Big Bad Boss Boeher. There are some Dems who despise Obama, some because they are more conservative and many because they are more socialist. There is a smattering of Independents too, including libertarians, constitutionalists and even socialists like Sanders I-V. This loose coalition may work together in order to elect the compromise candidate, neither Obama nor Romney.

That candidate will be the third party POTUS candidate with the most electors, probably Ron Paul, but it could be Johnson or Goode, depending on how this strategy plays out.

Any way you cut it, it is a victory because even if Obama or Romney become POTUS, the media and America cannot ignore that the two-party duopoly is broken and the establishment POTUS will be weakened significantly. On the other hand if Paul, Johnson or Goode emerge as the POTUS, they will be stronger.
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will any of these candidates get more votes than perot or nader?
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i saw where ventura is eyeing 2016 depending on how johnson does.
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will any of these candidates get more votes than perot or nader?
The last poll I saw was coming out of the Republican and Democratic Convention which always shows a lower number for a third party. It would be 45%. The simple answer is that, at this time, it doesn't look like anyone will be getting 15%, like Perot.

The only person I see getting a lot of votes would be Gary Johnson or Ron Paul in the write-in states - perhaps - but there is a lot of arguing between some of the Paul supporters.

Another thing is that Paul has to do the filing himself, and I know he isn't going to do that. I know that CA doesn't have requirements for write-ins, but other states do.

Gary is on 47 state ballots - enough to win if he gets the votes. Goode is the same, including the write-in states. IOW, Goode is on 26 ballots and the rest he has filed for the write-in vote.

I don't want to do a no-vote. I want to vote for someone who is not Obama or Romney. I like Virgil Goode. We've been on blog radio with him twice and he never shies away from any question. Answers them in depth. We asked him how he would handle an entrenched Congress if he was voted in and he said he would use the budget as leverage. So, he has a plan. He knows what needs to be done and is only running for one-term as he believes in term limits. No chance of playing political games with the two parties.

I have a hard time with the Libertarian platform and some problems with Gary. Gary has also lost some support in New Mexico and he is not married, although engaged. But, if I thought he would be the tool to end the oligarchy in Washington, I would throw my hat in with him. At least with some of the social issues, he leaves that to the states.

We call O and R the Tyrant Twins. It's interesting and alarming to note that only O and R support the NDAA. Johnson, Paul, Newt, and Goode are against it because of the civil liberties issues.

Our main purpose is to Block 270. If Congress has to choose, we will find out where everyone stands, and will have successfully allowed, at least, to show both parties the duopoly is in jeopardy. Any true patriot would not be against that plan. Gary Johnson would likely take more Democratic votes than Republican.

It's a totally different election year - if not now, when? I say go for it!

Let me come back and be more simple and clear on the 270 electoral vote - In order to accomplish the "Block 270" strategy, the reality is concentration must be directed at Obama-led states. He is leading by far. We have a 100 point advantage to Obama, if the election is held today...319 to 219. 50 Electoral votes must be gotten by third parties, but those have to be taken from Obama. Conversely, Romney must be prevented from gaining 50 more Electoral votes. So this battle is over 50 electoral votes as I see it. Thus: "FIGHT FOR FIFTY" and "BLOCK 270".
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i saw where ventura is eyeing 2016 depending on how johnson does.
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Reform Party of Kansas Changes Mind: Nominated Virgil Goode for President

http://www.independentpoliticalrepor...for-president/
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Interview with Virgil Goode: How Do We Elevate Constitutional Principles?

Mr. Goode rebutted that he’s “attracting votes from both parties” and there “are more independents than either Democrats or Republicans.” Moreover, “many old-line Democrats whose families voted Democrat back to FDR are fed up with Obama, but won’t vote GOP.” Appealing to these constituents appears pivotal to Goode’s efforts to “shake-up the big money interests controlling both Democrats and Republicans.”

http://www.forbes.com/sites/billflax...al-principles/
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