Pastors

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by Amanah

God is still filling people with the Holy Ghost; people are being baptized, and encouraged.

Our shortcomings, whatever they may be, won't hinder God from having His way in our lives.

Personally, I'm happy to have my Church fellowship, Pastor, Elders, Teachers, Musicians, ect. I would feel lost without them to be honest.

Yes, Amanah. God is great. But God also fills people with the Holy Ghost outside the four walls. People still gather for praise and worship from without the camp.

There is coming a time right here in America when we will not have all the Pastors, elders, teachers and musicians to buoy up our walk with God.

But still....nobody has given me scriptural reference to what the pastor does biblically. What is the pastor's role in the church that scripture defines?

[Amanah]

I believe this would be the role those who are leading the Church, whatever you call them, Pastor, Elder, Bishop, Evangelist, ect, ect.

2Ti 2:24
And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all [men], apt to teach, patient,

2Ti 2:25
In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;

2Ti 2:26
And [that] they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

2Ti 3:14
But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned [them];

2Ti 3:15
And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

2Ti 3:16
All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

2Ti 3:17
That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

2Ti 4:1
I charge [thee] therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

2Ti 4:2
Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

2Ti 4:3
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

2Ti 4:4
And they shall turn away [their] ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

2Ti 4:5
But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.

[AreYouReady?]

I'm not trying to be contentious to you Amanah...but I consider the above scriptures something all people would do well to abide by. And...I've heard many 'fables' coming down from the pulpit even in OP churches.

But, since Pastors claim to have authority over others, what scriptural reference do they have to make that claim?

[AreYouReady?]

I guess since I grew up in the RCC, I've heard many different 'traditions' and I see many similarities of OP and RCC churches when it comes to traditions.

[Amanah]

I would think most if not all Pastors do what they do because they love God and love people. I would think their desire would be to create a space where the family of God can assemble and worship, where those who are sick, oppressed and hurting can come and be filled and healed, a place where those who are heartbroken can be encouraged to press on.

Maybe not everyone needs a place like this, maybe there are those who do.

I would think it would be more about being a servant then being in authority. What you -would- want to have authority over is sin, sickness, oppression, depression, and anything that would try to come against the children of God.

[Amanah]

And we are making a difference in our city.
There are many who attend from the prison ministry and will testify how God has redeemed them.
Every Saturday the church feeds the needy in the park.
There is much outreach to the community.

And I know that ministry does not have to be within the walls of the church, as I have personally preached the gospel on the streets of this city in the most drug infested neighborhoods and prayed with drug dealers and prostitutes and have seen some of them receive the Holy Ghost. And have picked up their kids and brought them to sunday school, kids whose parents were so strung out on drugs that they had no clue what was going on with their kids. We fed them, prayed with them, gave them hope.

The Church is not about having authority over the saints, it's about having authority over the demonic powers in a city, and overcoming those powers in the name of Jesus.

This is much easier to do when you work together as a body. I think it's almost impossible for one person to be the body of Christ with the 5 fold ministry and gifts of the Spirit in operation.

[Nitehawk013]

The "Pastoral Epistles" would presumably be the right place to look for a definition fo the role of Pastor. UNfortunately, it doesn't describe any specific duties for a Pastor in terms of day to day church running.

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by Nitehawk013

The "Pastoral Epistles" would presumably be the right place to look for a definition fo the role of Pastor. UNfortunately, it doesn't describe any specific duties for a Pastor in terms of day to day church running.

Actually, it does, but fortunately it was meant for
the Church, and we try to apply it to "church," you know, that building with a mortgage, etc., run by satan. Wadr.

[bbyrd009]

"The Church is not about having authority over the saints, it's about having authority over the demonic powers in a city, and overcoming those powers in the name of Jesus."

A big amen.

[Michael The Disciple]

Let us not forget the general purpose of a minister:

: 28 Whom we preach , warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus: 29 Whereunto I also labour , striving according to his working, which worketh in me mightily . Col 1:28

This includes the things Amanah has posted this being the stated result.