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07-28-2012, 07:33 PM
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Re: Military Service
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It's okay for an AMERICAN CHRISTIAN to kill an IRANIAN CHRISTIAN when AMERICA is engaged in a war against IRAQ.
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For the record, this was TIC...
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07-28-2012, 08:15 PM
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Re: Military Service
Who wouldn't think that was TIC TGBTG?
Your point is...a brother killing another brother in another country when the NT does not sanction this.
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07-28-2012, 11:26 PM
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Re: Military Service
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Originally Posted by TGBTG
It's okay for an AMERICAN CHRISTIAN to kill an IRANIAN CHRISTIAN when AMERICA is engaged in a war against IRAQ.
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For the record, this was TIC...
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This really cuts to the heart of the matter, though. I am personally quite conflicted in this question. I was raised pacifist, and now I refer to myself as something of a "recovering pacifist"... so don't tempt me! 
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07-29-2012, 04:42 AM
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07-29-2012, 12:19 PM
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Re: Military Service
I figured that was TIC, T; but after all the
"it will be ok to kill during the final battle"
fantasy...
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07-29-2012, 12:19 PM
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Re: Military Service
If pacifist would have had their way there would not be a United States of America today. We would most likely would be speaking German.
It is interesting to study our history and just what a pacifist nation we were prior to the bombing of Pearl Harbor. I had always assumed that since we were such a large productive nation that when WWII started we would have had one of the largest and best equipped armies.
The truth is we did not. Nations much smaller than us were much better equipped militarily. What saved our collective butts was that once we realized we could no longer be pacifists we were able to turn the mighty engine or free enterprise and capitalsim towards equipping ourselves and our allies. Combine that with the American sense of justice and self sacrifice to protect our freedom and we had both the equipment and men to turn the tide against Nazi Germany and it's axis partners Japan and Italy (although it is hard to believe Italians were involved!).
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07-29-2012, 12:40 PM
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Re: Military Service
This assumes that God cares about
one's "Country," or--to put it another way--
who one chooses to show fealty to,
other than God.
Um, the "pacifist" thing, after
Manifest Destiny, is just too rich, btw.
("Why are you hitting your head with a hammer?"
"Because my head hurts.") 
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07-29-2012, 12:45 PM
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Re: Military Service
Oh, and the "We defeated Nazi's"
is frankly, given the overwhelming evidence,
just too sad to comment on.
Search "project paper clip," if you will,
or better yet, read The Rise of the Fourth Reich.
It's not even a conspiracy.
I'm just too floored to even crack the obv jokes here;
this is really sad to me, as I suspect you rep the prevailing opinion.
Yikes.
You do realize that the US is the largest arms dealer on the planet?
Do you really imagine, fantasize, that we are in the right, somehow, as a nation?
How do people delude themselves so thoroughly, with all the evidence
smacking them in the face?
Last edited by bbyrd009; 07-29-2012 at 12:50 PM.
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07-29-2012, 12:55 PM
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Re: Military Service
Now I get how the Truth will make one "mute."
Please ignore my childish snarkiness, if you will,
and at least explore how you might be deceived;
at worst, you will have decided I am deluded--and,
just maybe, your mind might be changed on a couple of those ideas.
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07-29-2012, 12:55 PM
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Re: Military Service
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Originally Posted by kclee4jc
How do you feel about Christians serving in military service.
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I would encourage any and every believer to get out of military service as soon as their obligations are met. The current command structure of our military is ungodly and probably illegal.
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Does the believe have a right to take another human life under any circumstance?
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Neither John Baptist, Jesus, nor the apostles ever commanded soldiers serving in the military to lay down their arms. They instead taught them to do the right thing and not abuse anyone.
Many Christians are and have been pacifists (including many Pentecostals, at least in the early days). But the idea of 'jus causus' is valid and biblical, I believe.
I would not resist with force anyone trying to persecute me personally because of my faith in Christ.
But I have ZERO PROBLEM blowing away ANYONE who would do violence to my family.
Am I wrong? I don't think so. I see that not providing for one's family is equivalent to apostasy, and makes one no different than an infidel (and thus subject to eternal damnation). And providing for your family's safety and defense is part of 'providing for your family' as far as I can tell.
Abraham whupped some butt to rescue Lot from foreign captors, gave the loot to Melchizedek, and did so by faith.
Many saints by faith 'put to flight armies of aliens', and many saints by faith 'refused deliverance'. It comes down to your faith.
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