Gun Control-Here we go again. - Page 3

houston · #21 07-22-2012, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoovie

Very, very rare that this happens. But very, very common that the perp is stopped.

You do know that movie theaters are dark, right?

Hoovie · #22 07-22-2012, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Stopped maybe. All I'm saying is that there would have been more death in THIS situation had there been more bullets flying through the crowded, smoky, panicked, movie theater.

More death? I am not following you. I am saying, the evidence shows fewer bullets and less death when the perp is stopped.

RandyWayne · #23 07-22-2012, 07:23 PM

Any situation like this is going to be chaotic BUT if someone shoots at me I have the Constitutional right (or should anyways) to fire back.

Hoovie · #24 07-22-2012, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by houston

You do know that movie theaters are dark, right?

Somewhat. This also puts the perp at a disadvantage.

He can't see the seven guns being pointed at him.
He is standing.
He is firing indiscriminately - so fire and sparks are lighting him up.

RandyWayne · #25 07-22-2012, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoovie

Somewhat. This also puts the perp at a disadvantage.

He can't see the seven guns being pointed at him.
He is standing.
He is firing indiscriminately - so fire and sparks is lighting him up.

He was also wearing a gas mask, in this case anyways, which would have reduced his vision even more.

Hoovie · #26 07-22-2012, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by RandyWayne

He was also wearing a gas mask, in this case anyways, which would have reduced his vision even more.

True.

I am not saying things MIGHT not go wrong. They can, but it's not a good reason to take away guns from those licensed to carry and shoot them in just such a case where lives are threatened.

Jermyn Davidson · #27 07-22-2012, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoovie

True.

I am not saying things MIGHT not go wrong. They can, but it's not a good reason to take away guns from those licensed to carry and shoot them in just such a case where lives are threatened.

I never said it was. I just think that in this specific situation, more guns, more shooting, more bullets, more ricocheting, more opportunities for more casualties.

Unless I knew exactly where the gunfire was coming from, I wouldn't shoot.

If I knew exactly where the gunfire was coming from, I'd hesitate because of the high probability of hitting innocent people.

If I had a cleat shot at the perp, it would be one thing.

But a dark, smoky, crowded movie theater? People panicking, you aim in on the perp and some kid trips and bumps into you or worst, someone falls into your line of sight right before you pull the trigger.

There is just so much that can go wrong and although I'd want to kill the bad guy, I will never do anything to that I know could put innocent people in imminent danger of death.

A gun battle in a crowded, dark, smoky, movie theater with panicky people WOULD MOST DEFINITELY put more innocent people in imminent danger.

Gotta have a clear shot.
Gotta make sure I don't shoot the wrong person.
The ends doesn't always justify the means.
Can't kill civilians unless I have to.

As terrible as what happened in Colorado was, unless I had a clear shot, I'd have to hold my fire.

Hoovie · #28 07-22-2012, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

I never said it was. I just think that in this specific situation, more guns, more shooting, more bullets, more ricocheting, more opportunities for more casualties.

Unless I knew exactly where the gunfire was coming from, I wouldn't shoot.

If I knew exactly where the gunfire was coming from, I'd hesitate because of the high probability of hitting innocent people.

If I had a cleat shot at the perp, it would be one thing.

But a dark, smoky, crowded movie theater? People panicking, you aim in on the perp and some kid trips and bumps into you or worst, someone falls into your line of sight right before you pull the trigger.

There is just so much that can go wrong and although I'd want to kill the bad guy, I will never do anything to that I know could put innocent people in imminent danger of death.

A gun battle in a crowded, dark, smoky, movie theater with panicky people WOULD MOST DEFINITELY put more innocent people in imminent danger.

Gotta have a clear shot.
Gotta make sure I don't shoot the wrong person.
The ends doesn't always justify the means.
Can't kill civilians unless I have to.

As terrible as what happened in Colorado was, unless I had a clear shot, I'd have to hold my fire.

Totally agree. I think we could assume if ten were armed most may not have had a clear shot. But one? I am truly surprised that we did not end up with 75 or 100 people dead. I wonder why he stopped killing?

canam · #29 07-23-2012, 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Hoovie

Totally agree. I think we could assume if ten were armed most may not have had a clear shot. But one? I am truly surprised that we did not end up with 75 or 100 people dead. I wonder why he stopped killing?

ar 15 with 100 round canister jammed,not enough talent to unjam it thankfully, emptied his other weapons

scotty · #30 07-23-2012, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

I never said it was. I just think that in this specific situation, more guns, more shooting, more bullets, more ricocheting, more opportunities for more casualties.

Unless I knew exactly where the gunfire was coming from, I wouldn't shoot.

If I knew exactly where the gunfire was coming from, I'd hesitate because of the high probability of hitting innocent people.

If I had a cleat shot at the perp, it would be one thing.

But a dark, smoky, crowded movie theater? People panicking, you aim in on the perp and some kid trips and bumps into you or worst, someone falls into your line of sight right before you pull the trigger.

There is just so much that can go wrong and although I'd want to kill the bad guy, I will never do anything to that I know could put innocent people in imminent danger of death.

A gun battle in a crowded, dark, smoky, movie theater with panicky people WOULD MOST DEFINITELY put more innocent people in imminent danger.

Gotta have a clear shot.
Gotta make sure I don't shoot the wrong person.
The ends doesn't always justify the means.
Can't kill civilians unless I have to.

As terrible as what happened in Colorado was, unless I had a clear shot, I'd have to hold my fire.

I agree. Some in the theater next door were hit by rounds that went through the wall. How many concele carry people would have stopped to consider that before firing.

I am all for carrying, but the alarming thing I am seeing in the news, on videos, etc. is they most often fire off half a dozen rounds striking the perp only once or twice, if at all. What happened to those rounds? Do they consider where those rounds will go if they don't hit the perp? Does it even cross their minds? How sad would it be for the one who got behind the perp and made it to the exit door only to be shot in the back by one stray round from someone on the opposite side of the theater?

Anybody with no experience with a weapon what so ever can go take a little course and get their permit. And while they have to spend a little time on the range to get the permit, I would guess a very small percentage ever return to a range.

There comes some responsibility with drawing a weapon, and even greater responsibility in the decision to pull the trigger. A responsibility most never take a moment to consider. Especially in the heat of the moment.

I'm all for carrying, I do myself. But this is not a video game, you don't just get points taken off when you accidentally kill an innocent. No matter what your intentions were.