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07-17-2012, 04:52 PM
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Re: The Development of the Trinity
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How can Jesus NOT pre-exist and yet be God?
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Jesus can NOT pre-exist AS A HUMAN BEING, obviously.
As God, He always was, is and shall be.
Furthermore, the man is nothing less than GOD CARVED INTO HUMAN NATURE.
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07-17-2012, 04:54 PM
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Re: The Development of the Trinity
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Jesus can NOT pre-exist AS A HUMAN BEING, obviously.
As God, He always was, is and shall be.
Furthermore, the man is nothing less than GOD CARVED INTO HUMAN NATURE.
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Then if "as God, He always, was, is and shall be" then Jesus Christ DID pre-exist.
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07-17-2012, 04:57 PM
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Unvaxxed Pureblood
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Re: The Development of the Trinity
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Then if "as God, He always, was, is and shall be" then Jesus Christ DID pre-exist.
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Yes He did, I am simply pointing out that because He is BOTH God and man there is created an issue with explaining things.
homo-ousion vs homoi-ousion, anyone?
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07-17-2012, 05:25 PM
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Re: The Development of the Trinity
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How can Jesus NOT pre-exist and yet be God?
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Well again MY GUESS is that he is referring to the teaching among many Oneness that the LOGOS was merely Gods plan he thought of in the beginning.
That makes it seem as if they deny his pre existing.
I never heard of a group that teaches Yeshua pre existed as a human being. Who teaches that?
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07-17-2012, 05:29 PM
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Re: The Development of the Trinity
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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple
Well again MY GUESS is that he is referring to the teaching among many Oneness that the LOGOS was merely Gods plan he thought of in the beginning.
That makes it seem as if they deny his pre existing.
I never heard of a group that teaches Yeshua pre existed as a human being. Who teaches that?
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I have heard some who teach that all humans - Jesus included - pre-existed before the Flood. That we were born into this life to learn the lessons we did not learn (and have an opportunity to repent and follow God) from our lives prior to the Flood. Not exactly a 'reincarnation' thing, but something similar.
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07-17-2012, 05:35 PM
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Re: The Development of the Trinity
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Originally Posted by Esaias
Yes He did, I am simply pointing out that because He is BOTH God and man there is created an issue with explaining things.
homo-ousion vs homoi-ousion, anyone?
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I don't think so. Ive never met anyone that says Jesus pre-existed being a man as a man
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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07-17-2012, 05:37 PM
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Re: The Development of the Trinity
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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple
Well again MY GUESS is that he is referring to the teaching among many Oneness that the LOGOS was merely Gods plan he thought of in the beginning.
That makes it seem as if they deny his pre existing.
I never heard of a group that teaches Yeshua pre existed as a human being. Who teaches that?
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He is referring to Trinitarians Michael. He is making an argument that the teaching that Christ pre-existed can be traced back to a beginning, not the bible
We in the OP have not had a solid answer of how the preexistence of Christ and related issues evolved.
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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07-17-2012, 05:37 PM
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Re: The Development of the Trinity
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Originally Posted by Esaias
I have heard some who teach that all humans - Jesus included - pre-existed before the Flood. That we were born into this life to learn the lessons we did not learn (and have an opportunity to repent and follow God) from our lives prior to the Flood. Not exactly a 'reincarnation' thing, but something similar.
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Mormonism?
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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07-17-2012, 06:37 PM
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Re: The Development of the Trinity
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Jesus Christ said Before Abraham was, I am.
Is Jesus "God"? If so then Jesus pre-existed
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Amen. Sorry Praxeas, I thought you were coming from a different direction.
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07-17-2012, 09:48 PM
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Jesus' Name Pentecostal
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Re: The Development of the Trinity
I ordered the book from the PPH. When I placed my order the online catalog said there were two copies available. Earlier this evening I got an email telling me the book was back ordered.
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