That Old King James

[Bro. Robbins]

Originally Posted by Sam

This saddens me. I was blessed by seeing that young man sing that song. That's why I included the words. There is a great message in that song and a great testimony of how the Word of God can affect us and help us.

I don't know anything about the young man who sang it. I don't know how committed he may be or not be to the Lord. I'll leave that between him and Jesus Christ.

As far as the whole "secular song" thing. I did not participate in that thread and the only comment I have on it is this. In my opinion, the "secular music" thing falls into the category of Romans 14. If you think "secular music" is wrong for you, then don't sing it or play it but don't judge someone who does. And, if you do not think "secular music" is wrong, then enjoy it but don't judge someone who does not listen to it.

This is a quote that I have put on facebook a couple times:
"A lot of our convictions are preferences, and that is all right. But don't impose your preference upon someone and call it holiness."
page 259 of "The Main Thing Is To Keep The Main Thing The Main Thing" by T.F. Tenney, copyright 1993 by Word Aflame Press

With all due respect, I don't put Secular/Sacred Music in the Romans 14 category. I would put length of shirt sleeve... wearing a watch... in that category... but the Scripture is pretty clear in it's teaching on music. Maybe not as clear as baptism, or repentance for sure... but much clearer than the items that would fall in Romans 14 column.

[Bro. Robbins]

Originally Posted by strait shooter

And I really like Scotty....he is a pretty decent kid from all I have heard.

being a decent, or good person has nothing to do with it. Tons of good people are back slid or even in hell. Some amazingly moral, good, caring and compassionate people are in hell... has nothing to do with it.

Has to do with people trying to mix secular with sacred and the Church swallowing it hook, line and sinker. The Church is getting worldly, and the World getting churchy and now you can't tell the difference between the two.

[The Lemon]

Good grief!!!!! I'm sorry but this thread has turned ridculous in a hurry. I have heard for the last 20 years how "worldly" the church is becoming. My opinion is alot of church folk focus on the wrong things taking their eyes off Jesus and setting them on everything around them.

I don't even know where to begin.....last I checked we are all human, this super spiritual stuff drives me nuts. I have been with my wife for over 20yrs and am very happily married....everything is not spiritual.

If you want no mixing with the secular world then go start a compound, quit working a secular job, stop buying groceries at a secular market that plays secular grocery store instrumentals, do not buy secular clothing from secular stores...the bigger the list of rules the more absurd...

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by Bro. Robbins

being a decent, or good person has nothing to do with it. Tons of good people are back slid or even in hell. Some amazingly moral, good, caring and compassionate people are in hell... has nothing to do with it.

Brother Robbins, with all due respect, how do you know this? That good, moral and decent people are in hell? Isn't that a judgment our Creator God is only qualified to make?

[Bro. Robbins]

Originally Posted by The Lemon

If you want no mixing with the secular world then go start a compound, quit working a secular job, stop buying groceries at a secular market that plays secular grocery store instrumentals, do not buy secular clothing from secular stores...the bigger the list of rules the more absurd...

I would do all of that if there were teachings in the Scriptures that working a secular job was wrong... but actually, the Word okays the working of a secular job. The Word doesn't admonish anything in regards to groceries from a secular market, except to be careful where one goes... i.e., if you can go to a grocery that doesn't sell alcohol, that's the better choice.

This thread is directly dealing with secular vs sacred music, and where should a Christian be found in that mix... so good job of setting up a straw man argument just so you can knock it down.... have to compare apples to apples.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by Bro. Robbins

No surprises here.

And I would of course be shocked if you were shocked. LOL

[Bro. Robbins]

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

Brother Robbins, with all due respect, how do you know this? That good, moral and decent people are in hell? Isn't that a judgment our Creator God is only qualified to make?

Not at all... we are to judge with a Godly jugdement... and the judgement that all souls will be judged by is the Word of God... and that's open for us all to read and see for ourselves.

Believe me, I don't glory, nor revel in the fact that many cross over into hell that are good people. Everytime I preach on hell, or even talk about it with a lost person I feel the burn of hot tears in my eyes and down my face... as no one should ever have to go to hell. Hell wasn't created for any of us, but for Satan and his imps... and if any man or woman, boy or girl goes... they'll be an intruder into that place.

But the Gospel is clear. The gate to Righteousness is pretty narrow... it's only by Jesus... no other way. And one receiving that salvation, one must walk within that relationship, or they fall from that grace.

Good intentions, good morals, even compassion cannot save a person. Only Jesus saves... and if someone is in Jesus, there are many indicators from their life that will tell they are in Jesus.

The Word does the judging... not I.

[Bro. Robbins]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

And I would of course be shocked if you were shocked. LOL

Sir, expecting anything else would be like expecting a duck to say "moo".

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by The Lemon

Good grief!!!!! I'm sorry but this thread has turned ridculous in a hurry. I have heard for the last 20 years how "worldly" the church is becoming. My opinion is alot of church folk focus on the wrong things taking their eyes off Jesus and setting them on everything around them.

I don't even know where to begin.....last I checked we are all human, this super spiritual stuff drives me nuts. I have been with my wife for over 20yrs and am very happily married....everything is not spiritual.

If you want no mixing with the secular world then go start a compound, quit working a secular job, stop buying groceries at a secular market that plays secular grocery store instrumentals, do not buy secular clothing from secular stores...the bigger the list of rules the more absurd...

Well..the church has gone secular decades ago when it agreed to the tax-exempt status. They want their big buildings and fancy equipment, but they do not want to have to pay the taxes. In exchange, they do not speak out for or against political candidates. This makes the church a non-profit corporation, which is a worldly concept.

Worldly can mean a lot of things.

The heart is what Jesus sees.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Bro. Robbins

This thread is directly dealing with secular vs sacred music, and where should a Christian be found in that mix...

Are you saying that I can't sing Itsy Bitsy Spider to my granddaughter?!!! It's great vocals with the acapella, man!