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Old 07-06-2012, 11:12 AM
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Not voting for Romney means electing Obama.

Romney might not be 100% what I want but he is 100% not Obama who is driving America to the brink.

good grief people! losing on principle is LOSING!
The old saying "cut-off your nose to spite your face", comes to mind.
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Not voting for Romney means electing Obama.

Romney might not be 100% what I want but he is 100% not Obama who is driving America to the brink.

good grief people! losing on principle is LOSING!
Laying aside principle in order to win. I don't get that. If we had always stood on principle, we wouldn't be in this mess.
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Winston Churchill ~ "“Never give in, never give in, never; never; never; never - in nothing, great or small, large or petty - never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.”

It makes no sense to me to support ORomney.
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Laying aside principle in order to win. I don't get that. If we had always stood on principle, we wouldn't be in this mess.
If you want to marginalize your vote that is your right. However in your quest to only support a candidate with ALL of your principles you will allow candidates with virtually NONE of your principles to win and determine what happens in this country. That is reality.

Ronald Reagan said compromise was not a dirty word. That he would much rather get 75% of what he wanted t hat nothing. I feel the same way.
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Old 07-06-2012, 12:21 PM
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If you want to marginalize your vote that is your right. However in your quest to only support a candidate with ALL of your principles you will allow candidates with virtually NONE of your principles to win and determine what happens in this country. That is reality.

Ronald Reagan said compromise was not a dirty word. That he would much rather get 75% of what he wanted t hat nothing. I feel the same way.
You know, I just don't think Ronald Reagan could possibly mean compromising with someone who has a notorious record at flip-flopping. He handled the healthcare ruling horribly and looked even weaker as a candidate.

Compromising with someone who has different ideas would be like, for example, Paul Ryan when he didn't get total Conservative support on his ideas. That is a whole different story, Se, Si, Uno.
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The cold hard facts are that if you can't see the reality that Romney is much better for this country than Obama, despite Romney's faults then I really don't think you can be reasoned with .

So yes, of course I will blame Republicans / Conservatives like yourself that are so short sighted you would give a man who is determined to make America a socialist country another four years in office to pursue that agenda PLUS appoint extremely liberal Federal judges for life.

You still have never addressed the fact that despite his faults Romney is much better than Obama. I would love to see you face to face and have you look me in the eye and tell me you think trashing Romney and not voting for him, trying to insure an Obama win, is the best thing for this country.

It really makes me angry when I think about my two little granddaughters in the next room who will be so greatly affected by another four years of Obama that people like you want to play these silly games.


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Laying aside principle in order to win. I don't get that. If we had always stood on principle, we wouldn't be in this mess.
I don't think Romney is going to change anything Obama has done. His flip-flopping on other issues makes me wonder who he really is.

And it is a sad state of affairs when the American people are reduced to not voting for someone is giving the vote for someone else.

It's even sadder when your peers get angry because someone else won't vote for their candidate.

The adversary has succeeded in causing many divisions within the body of Christ.

I am not voting for Romney and my not voting for him is not going to get Obama reelected despite the political rhetoric coming from our peers.

The decline of America did not start with Obama. He isn't the boogeyman. He is the tail end of a procession of boogeymen before him. He is just finishing up what started decades ago. It started with the impostors who claimed to be conservative and christian. It started when Congress betrayed it's citizens in 1913 after all efforts of preceding presidents to keep out the foreign central banks from controlling America's money supply.

Of course those who don't bother to study political history will not understand when and how we got into this predicament in the first place.

If America falls, the reason will be because she has refused God. Plain and simple. Where was the church in the earlier days when our leaders and courts were allowing abortion to be the law of the land? This opened the door for the slaughter of over 50,000,000 babies in the womb. Let's not forget that it was conservative/republican appointed majority that did this ruling that had this extreme impact upon society. So appointing liberal judges is not an issue when conservative judges were making decisions that were assigned (in the political mind) to do this job. Where was the church when one atheist woman brought lawsuit against school prayer?

These two issues and now the issue of homosexual marriages are nothing but political footballs.

We have entered into the days of Noe and the days of Lot and this is ordained from above because Jesus said it was going to happen. Why? Because Jesus knew the heart of man and woman way back then. He knew this day was a coming.

We can take all our examples of Israel falling into foreign hands time and time again because they chose to worship Baal instead of the Creator. God rose up Kings to conquer Israel and take them into captivity. Finally, He had to scatter them among the four winds of the earth.

The churches of Christ is supposed to have only one King...that king is Jesus. Yet, governments have conquered the church by using the Apostles own words against them. Romans 13. Now we have hate speech laws, which will apply to church sermons in the future because the church has allowed herself to be governed under 501 C 3 rules. It's all going to incrementally be tied in like roads that are planned and come together at the last phase of construction. Let the church try to preach something the government does not like and see how fast the building structures get taken down.


I am willing to bet a great many Romney supporters have no idea the anti-christian/anti-freedom laws passed during the Bush administration. Go look them up if you have not already.

So...in saying all of that, I will say this. Romney is not going to reverse anything. He is part of that establishment. If Obama does not finish the work that was started in this country decades ago, Romney will ...if he is elected. Doesn't anybody think it to be strange that the Obama healthcare is a really big issue right now and his adversary [Romney] is in line with the healthcare law essentially supporting it because he had one passed in his own state when he was governor?

As for me, I am going to place my life and my house in the hands of God. Trying to place total trust in God in these perilous times is going to be easy or hard, depending upon how solid our resolve to trust in Him is. The people of God will be divided in this very carnal issue and blaming a brother or sister for what we get in the White House is nonproductive.

Whoever is elected in this presidential election will be the providence of God because He is working to bring about His will in this world. Sometimes things have to get worse before God can work to bring the world to repentance.

Do not make the mistake in thinking your vote for the lesser of two evils will supersede God's divine will for this country and for the world.

I am going to place America in God's merciful hands and ask mercy for His bride.
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I don't think Romney is going to change anything Obama has done. His flip-flopping on other issues makes me wonder who he really is.

And it is a sad state of affairs when the American people are reduced to not voting for someone is giving the vote for someone else.

It's even sadder when your peers get angry because someone else won't vote for their candidate.

The adversary has succeeded in causing many divisions within the body of Christ.

I am not voting for Romney and my not voting for him is not going to get Obama reelected despite the political rhetoric coming from our peers.

The decline of America did not start with Obama. He isn't the boogeyman. He is the tail end of a procession of boogeymen before him. He is just finishing up what started decades ago. It started with the impostors who claimed to be conservative and christian. It started when Congress betrayed it's citizens in 1913 after all efforts of preceding presidents to keep out the foreign central banks from controlling America's money supply.

Of course those who don't bother to study political history will not understand when and how we got into this predicament in the first place.

If America falls, the reason will be because she has refused God. Plain and simple. Where was the church in the earlier days when our leaders and courts were allowing abortion to be the law of the land? This opened the door for the slaughter of over 50,000,000 babies in the womb. Let's not forget that it was conservative/republican appointed majority that did this ruling that had this extreme impact upon society. So appointing liberal judges is not an issue when conservative judges were making decisions that were assigned (in the political mind) to do this job. Where was the church when one atheist woman brought lawsuit against school prayer?

These two issues and now the issue of homosexual marriages are nothing but political footballs.

We have entered into the days of Noe and the days of Lot and this is ordained from above because Jesus said it was going to happen. Why? Because Jesus knew the heart of man and woman way back then. He knew this day was a coming.

We can take all our examples of Israel falling into foreign hands time and time again because they chose to worship Baal instead of the Creator. God rose up Kings to conquer Israel and take them into captivity. Finally, He had to scatter them among the four winds of the earth.

The churches of Christ is supposed to have only one King...that king is Jesus. Yet, governments have conquered the church by using the Apostles own words against them. Romans 13. Now we have hate speech laws, which will apply to church sermons in the future because the church has allowed herself to be governed under 501 C 3 rules. It's all going to incrementally be tied in like roads that are planned and come together at the last phase of construction. Let the church try to preach something the government does not like and see how fast the building structures get taken down.


I am willing to bet a great many Romney supporters have no idea the anti-christian/anti-freedom laws passed during the Bush administration. Go look them up if you have not already.

So...in saying all of that, I will say this. Romney is not going to reverse anything. He is part of that establishment. If Obama does not finish the work that was started in this country decades ago, Romney will ...if he is elected. Doesn't anybody think it to be strange that the Obama healthcare is a really big issue right now and his adversary [Romney] is in line with the healthcare law essentially supporting it because he had one passed in his own state when he was governor?

As for me, I am going to place my life and my house in the hands of God. Trying to place total trust in God in these perilous times is going to be easy or hard, depending upon how solid our resolve to trust in Him is. The people of God will be divided in this very carnal issue and blaming a brother or sister for what we get in the White House is nonproductive.

Whoever is elected in this presidential election will be the providence of God because He is working to bring about His will in this world. Sometimes things have to get worse before God can work to bring the world to repentance.

Do not make the mistake in thinking your vote for the lesser of two evils will supersede God's divine will for this country and for the world.

I am going to place America in God's merciful hands and ask mercy for His bride.
Excellent post! Thanks for taking the time.

Well, I guess everything that can be said has been said here. Enough articles and information to make an intelligent decision have been presented.

Good Luck to everyone in November!
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Old 07-06-2012, 06:08 PM
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Romney is at least a businessman, a capitialist. You may not like his flip flopping on social issues but you cannot deny that from a financial standpoint his view of what makes an economy tick is a lot better than our Community Organizer in Chief.

You guys are just plain silly to try and act like Romney and Obama are the same just because Romney has been liberal on some social issues.

Right now the most important thing is having someone at the helm who understands capitalism, free enterprise, and how our countries economy works.

Surely even you guys who are so blinded by your hatred of Romney can be honest enough to admit that there are significant differences in their views of economics and government.

Trying to say that Obama and Romney are the same just make you guys look silly.
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First of all I do not hate either Romney or Obama. Hate is unproductive and I choose to leave it alone.

It sounds like you are projecting your hatred of Obama onto those of us who see what is going on here.

Study the political history of America since 1864 and you will understand the pattern.

No amount of condescending language from you towards me will make me change my mind.

I choose to put America into God's hands at this point and let God be at the helm instead of Romney or Obama.
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Romney is at least a businessman, a capitialist. You may not like his flip flopping on social issues but you cannot deny that from a financial standpoint his view of what makes an economy tick is a lot better than our Community Organizer in Chief.

You guys are just plain silly to try and act like Romney and Obama are the same just because Romney has been liberal on some social issues.

Right now the most important thing is having someone at the helm who understands capitalism, free enterprise, and how our countries economy works.

Surely even you guys who are so blinded by your hatred of Romney can be honest enough to admit that there are significant differences in their views of economics and government.

Trying to say that Obama and Romney are the same just make you guys look silly.
Being a Capitalist in itself is no wonderful thing. The scriptures have warnings against vulture Capatalism. I do not hate Romney at all. As I told Sam I think there are some good things about him. Yes I certainly would rather see him as Pres than Barak Hussien Obama.

Yet I could not throw what teeny bit of support my vote makes to someone who is "fine" with throwing innocent Children into the arms of waiting homosexuals. If you are "fine" with that so be it.

If he retracts his support of gay adoption during the campaign AND if he chooses a good VP partner I might vote for him.
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