Holiness is Dead!!! - www.fullproof.us

Many are called...few chosen.

[Rhymis]

I am not surprised that Holiness is dead, it has been shot at often enough.

[SDG]

More apostasy ... God is holy and he dwells in his church ... the day holiness dies is the day God ....

IT AIN'T HAPPENING ....

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

More apostasy ... God is holy and he dwells in his church ... the day holiness dies is the day God ....

IT AIN'T HAPPENING ....

Quite right. It's all in the perception.

If someone believes holiness is dead they had better check their own pulse first.

Christ will have his Bride...organizations and movements, dead or alive, aside.

[Papabear]

what is the basis of comparison when considering Holiness in our movement?

I don't think we have a peer.

Is it what we want to compare ourselves to?

Sure there are incredible excesses in other Denominations that could cause us to think, "Well we are not doing so badly."

But are we doing well when consider the high water mark by previous generations of ministry and saints?

Do we think that we as a movement pray as much as previous generations?

Are we really more seperated and distinctive from our culture?


What is really true is we have a growing segment in our movement that consistently and constantly seem to be ready to criticize and critique our views on things such as

Long hair on Women ... does it really matter.

Does it really take the New Birth to be saved?

Jewelry, Makeup, Distinction in Dress are these worth making a big deal out of?


I believe we, you and I and those in our generation need to revive the Art of Prayer and basic consecrations... these are the forge where true Biblical Holiness and Separation are born.

The challenge is we are endeavoring to hold the line on Separation, while our consecration levels are not even comparable to the ideals we once held as a movement.



I believe we need to question ourselves....

Critique ourselves,

rather than pat ourselves on the back and make the mistake of Laodecia, which I think is the most common retort when these issues are raised.


Standards are NOT Holiness. But HOliness without Standards, is not holiness.

We as an apostolic Movement need to return to the the Forge of Commitment and consecration that was the fiery forge that created what we love and cherish about ourselves. Granted there were some distinct things that are associated with it.

The challenge is... so many are associated bright lights and lots of money to teh approval with God, rather than what is really just people selling the truth they never really bought into.

[Scott Hutchinson]

Since God is Holy and God is Eternal how can Holiness ever be dead ?
As long as there are people who are justified and have had their sins washed away by the blood Of The Lamb ,and who have the Holy Spirit wouldn't there always be people who are Holy in God's sight.
If The Gates of hell can never prevail agains't God's church and since the church is eternal and Holy ,Holiness can never be dead.

[Scott Hutchinson]

When we compare ourselves to the church in the First century our modern form of Pentecostalism does seem pretty dead.

Originally Posted by Papabear

what is the basis of comparison when considering Holiness in our movement?

I don't think we have a peer.

Is it what we want to compare ourselves to?

Sure there are incredible excesses in other Denominations that could cause us to think, "Well we are not doing so badly."

But are we doing well when consider the high water mark by previous generations of ministry and saints?

Do we think that we as a movement pray as much as previous generations?

Are we really more seperated and distinctive from our culture?


What is really true is we have a growing segment in our movement that consistently and constantly seem to be ready to criticize and critique our views on things such as

Long hair on Women ... does it really matter.

Does it really take the New Birth to be saved?

Jewelry, Makeup, Distinction in Dress are these worth making a big deal out of?


I believe we, you and I and those in our generation need to revive the Art of Prayer and basic consecrations... these are the forge where true Biblical Holiness and Separation are born.

The challenge is we are endeavoring to hold the line on Separation, while our consecration levels are not even comparable to the ideals we once held as a movement.



I believe we need to question ourselves....

Critique ourselves,

rather than pat ourselves on the back and make the mistake of Laodecia, which I think is the most common retort when these issues are raised.


Standards are NOT Holiness. But HOliness without Standards, is not holiness.

We as an apostolic Movement need to return to the the Forge of Commitment and consecration that was the fiery forge that created what we love and cherish about ourselves. Granted there were some distinct things that are associated with it.

The challenge is... so many are associated bright lights and lots of money to teh approval with God, rather than what is really just people selling the truth they never really bought into.

That's putting it succinctly.
Excellent post!!!
NI

[SDG]

I am seeing a prevailing theme that is being used more and more in some OP circles ... the manipulation of the word "heritage" ... to have saints conform to their image of our infinite God's holiness

some holiness preachers are painting the good ol' days as days where there was no sin or imperfection in the Church ....

I love my heritage .... but enough is enough .... God is the I am ... he is the all in all ... He is saving and sanctifying folks TODAY ...

[Papabear]

I don't see this reckless abandonment of "standards" has done anything to increase Apostolic Power and Demonstration.

It has increased the Carat Count on our pinky rings and the amount of masquera that can be caked on.

Ready the article and then lets discuss the merit, as opposed to this lazy response to something you don't know what you are talking about.

Read it and lets discuss point by point.