Arnold Murray

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

I am accused of posting and run?
Hey, listen, I watched this guy several times.
He's of track, just as I said before.
Why would I want to come back in here and waste hours and hours posting when you have made up your mind that this guy is so great?

Use Google: Arnold Murray - False teacher, and find out what he's all about.

I have a family that needs my time.
I'm not interested in going into a long useless discussion about a false teacher.
Next time you watch him, check his opinions with what your bible teaches.

Google Oneness Pentecostalism false teacher and see what you get.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by seekerman

It's great to hear that your pastor teaches verse by verse, that's rare.

I have enjoyed it but am not convinced it is particularly "great". I have been blessed, educated, and discipled for 51 years without doing that and do not feel cheated at all.

Like many things I think people get fixated on a way of doing things and think that is the only or best way.

Now if a person were in a church where the pastor uses actual Bible verses very little then I can see where getting into the actual word like this would be appealing.

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

I am accused of posting and run?
Hey, listen, I watched this guy several times.
He's of track, just as I said before.
Why would I want to come back in here and waste hours and hours posting when you have made up your mind that this guy is so great?

Use Google: Arnold Murray - False teacher, and find out what he's all about.

I have a family that needs my time.
I'm not interested in going into a long useless discussion about a false teacher.
Next time you watch him, check his opinions with what your bible teaches.

Oh, don't get me wrong--I'm not sure yet what I believe in regards to some of Murray's doctrine; but it makes more sense than blind literal adherence to an obviously allegorical story, to me. My assertion stands, and I don't need some internet ***Edited***, Google or whoever they host, to chew my food for me, ty.

Why did you come here at all? To throw a pebble. You remind me of the kids here, "this is bad," without a scrap of anything edifying? I can't even say you are wrong, because you haven't said anything.

And I maintain you won't, because the only time you are really going to disagree with Murray is in some esoteric who cares thing, anyway, assuming you are lined up about Ezekiel 13:18-20, etc.

Yes, by all means, next time you watch him, check his opinions with Scripture, lol--and then see that you, whoever you are, just prolly don't have the grasp of it like he does. But since you have apparently done this already? Let me invite you again to illuminate some inconsistency you may have found.

And Dordt, see that I might even end up agreeing with you-who knows. My point is that these unsupported comments are not only just your opinion, but they are untrue and unedifying. Murray notably makes none of this stuff a contingency for salvation, but understanding; yet you condemn him to hell. Sounds familiar...

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by seekerman

Google Oneness Pentecostalism false teacher and see what you get.

Yes, please do. there is nothing on Murray at the CERM site, the first one, so you might want to narrow it down? Seems like I remember there was something on him there once, but please note at this site that all you get is stones, thrown from one narrow little window, and no edification whatsoever.

You are never going to agree 100% with any preacher, I don't think. I maintain that I don't agree with everything Murray says, but this link is kind of typical of the arguments I hear against him--they never seem to amount to anything, even coming from his worst detractors. No, he is not OP. So that means he is satan?

You cannot back up your disagreements with Murray with Scripture, so you better find a link that can slander him. Here, I'll help; there's some 20-30 year old recording of him prophesying something that didn't come true, forget what, but this is the only thing with any substance that I could find. It's been a couple years ago, and I think I Googled "Arnold Murray" to get to it. Note that it is pretty old, and his teaching has evolved quite a bit since then. I'm pretty sure if given the chance, he would tell you "I was wrong there; but I was never trying to present that as doctrine, either."

[bbyrd009]

At the end of the day, will it matter if the original sin was eating an apple, or having forbidden sex with a proxy of satan? Not much; but this model sure seems more Scriptural than...anyone else's. "Enmity between thy seed and his seed," and re-iterated in I John, and several other places. What then, is seed?

I'd say that this is possibly his most controversial doctrine?

[Dordrecht]

My point is that these unsupported comments are not only just your opinion, but they are untrue...

Since you got more time on your hands than I do, proof it to me that they are untrue.

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

Since you got more time on your hands than I do, proof it to me that they are untrue.

Ya, this ends up being the argument? You weren't too busy to come toss an unsupported opinion in the other day. But now your time is so much more valuable than mine, ok. I can't prove a lie, which it seems like you're asking here, but will try to explore the truth here, if you like.

But you have to put something forward other than "That's bad, mmmkay;" this ends up just being an incomplete sentence. "That is difficult to accept as truth because ______," I can work with.

[Dordrecht]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T31Nu...eature=related

[Dordrecht]

Since I am busy this weekend I let Mr. Murray do the talking for himself, here's one more:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mX4n8...eature=related

Is this enough, bbyrd009? You can't argue with the guy himself can you?

[seekerman]

I'll be glad when Murray starts his 24/7 programming next week. I can catch him throughout the day, not just late at night.